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Seems pretty sensible given the forecast. Certainly beats cancelling the service altogether.
Indeed.

Even* CalMac ferries have tried to plan alternatives. Most are cancelled on Sunday for obvious reason. But there's additional sailings on a few routes today and on Monday. Stornoway has 4 crossings instead of 2 on Monday.

*Not intended as an insult in any way. But it's obviously a lot harder which sea states are involved.
 
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Looks like the train will have a long wait at Helensburgh:

Helensburgh Upper - 2000
Dumbarton Central - 2254


Credit to CS for planning the service though. Far too many TOCs would just say "do not travel".
Thats just absolutely ridiculous.
 

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Thats just absolutely ridiculous.
Does getting as far South of Helensburgh by 20:00 get the Caledonian Sleeper away from the Higher lands before the storm is expected to do its worst ?.
If so then I suppose the route further South is less vulnerable assuming the coming storm is to hit North of Glasgow.
 

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Moving a departure times from 1900 to 1645, expecting people to be ok with that as well as expecting staff to start earlier and finish later too.

If the option is that or cancel the train because the weather will be too bad at the normal departure time, which do you prefer?
 
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Does getting as far South of Helensburgh by 20:00 get the Caledonian Sleeper away from the Higher lands before the storm is expected to do its worst ?.
If so then I suppose the route further South is less vulnerable assuming the coming storm is to hit North of Glasgow.
I imagine they are expecting trees down on the West Highland Line and are getting the train as far as Craigendoran loop where it can wait it's normal slot through the central belt where there are alternative routes most of the way to Edinburgh. Calling at Dumbarton at normal time also gives the option of bringing passengers down by road it's only just over 2 hours from Fort William in normal weather.
 

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Moving a departure times from 1900 to 1645, expecting people to be ok with that as well as expecting staff to start earlier and finish later too.

I would expect the staff will be more than compensated else they would simply refuse enforced overtime.
 

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Maybe so. However if the Northbound can't get through in the morning there will be a cancellation on Monday night anyway if the set doesn't get up there.
Surely they makes the point even more doesn't it?

If the train gets cancelled tonight as opposed to running it earlier, there's a real chance the train won't run until Tuesday night and therefore two trains worth of passengers to refund/re accommodate.
 

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Moving a departure times from 1900 to 1645, expecting people to be ok with that as well as expecting staff to start earlier and finish later too.
It minimises risk of a repeat of Stonehaven August 12th 2020, when the effects of that storm resulted in the fatal accident with the ScotRail HST
 
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Maybe so. However if the Northbound can't get through in the morning there will be a cancellation on Monday night anyway if the set doesn't get up there.
But that is going to be a problem regardless of what they do with tonight's (Sunday) Southbound service.

Worse still if CS cling on to hope and run tonight's Southbound as normal there is the very real risk that it will be stranded and then there will be a missing Northbound service the following night.
I imagine they are expecting trees down on the West Highland Line and are getting the train as far as Craigendoran loop where it can wait it's normal slot through the central belt where there are alternative routes most of the way to Edinburgh. Calling at Dumbarton at normal time also gives the option of bringing passengers down by road it's only just over 2 hours from Fort William in normal weather.
Thanks, that is the sort of damage limitation that makes sense.
 

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But that is going to be a problem regardless of what they do with tonight's (Sunday) Southbound service.

Worse still if CS cling on to hope and run tonight's Southbound as normal there is the very real risk that it will be stranded and then there will be a missing Northbound service the following night.

Thanks, that is the sort of damage limitation that makes sense.
Does a 73 have enough fuel capacity to be providing power and ETS and power from very early on in the day until it reaches craignetinny in the small hours to be refuelled. Genuine question.
 

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Does a 73 have enough fuel capacity to be providing power and ETS and power from very early on in the day until it reaches craignetinny in the small hours to be refuelled. Genuine question.
I expect there is plenty of fuel available. Also I expect the planners (experts) know what they are doing.

By my rough calculation itt is within three hours extra ETS power required and I think that takes it from roughly just under twelve hours required to just over twelve hours ETS required one way. So about 25% extra ETS duration on the Southbound. I should imagine this is not much compared to the fuel used up keeping the train moving.

Every time the sleeper is delayed within Scotland I expect that eats into the fuel allowance so its probably no worse than a usual worst case.
 

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I expect there is plenty of fuel available. Also I expect the planners (experts) know what they are doing.

By my rough calculation itt is within three hours extra ETS power required and I think that takes it from roughly just under twelve hours required to just over twelve hours ETS required one way. So about 25% extra ETS duration on the Southbound. I should imagine this is not much compared to the fuel used up keeping the train moving.

Every time the sleeper is delayed within Scotland I expect that eats into the fuel allowance so its probably no worse than a usual worst case.
Fair enough, I just wondered how long these locos can keep going without needing refuelled.
 

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It could be an issue on an extremely long delay (if stranded). So I guess 3 hours is well within the fuel range catered for.
The 66 will be fine as its fuel tanks are massive, the 73s don't have long range fuel tanks though. I'm sure this will all have been considered though.
 

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I wonder if this will be fixed by the time they get there.
 

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No timings shown for 1645 departure since Rannoch on realtimes ??
Only a limited number of Token Exchange Points (TEPs) on WHL seem to log to RTT: Typically Garelochead, Crianlarich, Dalmally, Rannoch and Glenfinnan. Fort William (not RETB) logs too.
Therefore I wouldn’t read anything into it.

RTT suggests a planned 2h20 min layover in Dumbarton Central. Seems a sensible location to return to path, though ScotRail are currently turning Helensburgh trains round there too.
ScotRail have cancelled the evening train to Mallaig so I assume the plan is to clear the WHL of traffic.
 

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Moving a departure times from 1900 to 1645, expecting people to be ok with that as well as expecting staff to start earlier and finish later too.
Well no

Passengers who cannot travel earlier are getting refunds, passengers who can travel will be getting the best chance of getting to their destination safely. As for staff, CS clearly have that in hand otherwise they would not have announced the change to the public.
 

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80 late and counting although it will be back on time at Dumbarton most likely.

Having said that, the line is shut at Craigendoran just now.
 

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