Caledonian Sleeper

[Lozzy0603]

Did a Class 91 on the lowland sleeper 1M11 cause a de-wirement at Kensel Green tunnel east portal this morning on the UF?

 

[nlogax]

Did a Class 91 on the lowland sleeper 1M11 cause a de-wirement at Kensel Green tunnel east portal this morning on the UF?

A 91? Shurely shome mishtake.

 

[John R]

And it is zero carbon if that's the source of the power Network Rail are buying. To use an analogy, I don't accuse my wife of pretending to be vegetarian because I eat meat. "No one's vegetarian until everyone's vegetarian so you might as well have a bacon sarnie love" would be absurd.

That’s not the same at all. At any point in time the country needs a given amount of electricity. How the sale of that power is divvied up between it’s sources is purely a paper exercise.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Did a Class 91 on the lowland sleeper 1M11 cause a de-wirement at Kensel Green tunnel east portal this morning on the UF?

According to O T T Maps, (11.15) 1M11 now 5M11 but still in the same position (UF just North of Queen's Park) that it has occupied since around 0645. Interestingly, DS now shown as blocked, which might be bad news for the trains standing on the DS immediately south of this point (DF shown as blocked for some time).

 

[sprinterguy]

Did a Class 91 on the lowland sleeper 1M11 cause a de-wirement at Kensel Green tunnel east portal this morning on the UF?

Mentioned on the previous page in this post here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/caledonian-sleeper.176365/page-179#post-4269332

Another day, another delay for the sleeper, 1M11 has come to a stand near Queen’s Park, passed it on another train and it’s got its pantograph down. Damage to overheads is being said on National Rail

With a photo from Twitter of the damaged class 92 here:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/caledonian-sleeper.176365/page-179#post-4269514

 

[LeylandLen]

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailEUS/status/1190185978998251520/photo/1

LNR has just tweeted a photo of the damaged windscreen of the 92:
https://twitter.com/LNRailway/status/1190201640311312385

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It appears , from twitter, that passengers have been taken of 1M11 outside Euston (#Kensal Green ) but without luggage,so how will the luggage be re-united with its owner ? Seems a bit hard on anyone planning to take an early flight out of London or catch early Eurostar ..

 

[Lozzy0603]

2!!! 2.... 2 Would be truly incredible if a Class 91 pulling a Caledonian Sleeper came off the wires on the WCML. That would raise a number of questions.

 

[BRX]

And it is zero carbon if that's the source of the power Network Rail are buying. To use an analogy, I don't accuse my wife of pretending to be vegetarian because I eat meat. "No one's vegetarian until everyone's vegetarian so you might as well have a bacon sarnie love" would be absurd.

The correct analogy would involve a finite supply of vegetarian food. Let's say you and your wife are in Greggs and there are two meat sausage rolls and one veggie one. The person behind you in the queue would prefer a veggie one. 2/3 of you would potentially go veggie but only 1/3 of you can. In terms of reducing meat consumption overall, it doesn't make any difference what your wife chooses.

 

[side effect]

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailEUS/status/1190185978998251520/photo/1

It appears , from twitter, that passengers have been taken of 1M11 outside Euston (#Kensal Green ) but without luggage,so how will the luggage be re-united with its owner ? Seems a bit hard on anyone planning to take an early flight out of London or catch early Eurostar ..

Been in about 15 mins now. See a colas bringing it in.

 

[theironroad]

Yes, albeit a bit stiffly on Monday morning!

To be fair I’ve done it more often by day train on the way up - train north after work, either a lift or late hire car to ‘base camp’ that night, or overnight in Glasgow or Edinburgh and an early hire car straight to the hills. However the late flights back from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Inverness are terribly convenient, usually cheap, and have me in my own bed well before midnight Sunday.

I’ve done this about a dozen times. I have also tried the sleeper (new and old) for the journey north, and it gives little if any extra time on the hills, and has the disadvantage of a day on the hills feeling half asleep, which isn’t necessarily a good idea.

A few years back , I'd quite often take the lowlander north to Glasgow in a berth , rent a car drive to rowardennan , do Ben Lomond and take the sleeper back that night. Fair to say I slept much better on the return leg..

 

[Lee_Again]

Railtours seem to be a 1000 mile round trip without the benefit of the exercise therefore need to be immediately banned.

By that logic, all return tickets should be banned.

I find all this talk about travelling and the environment rather pointless. And until the government ban all private jets, luxury yachts, anything other than economy seats in trains/planes, sports cars etc. etc. I shall continue to travel when and where I like.

 

[Far north 37]

Been in about 15 mins now. See a colas bringing it in.

It was drs 57307 one of the west coast thunderbird locos was it not.

 

[Lozzy0603]

The Mk5 set is now in Euston 13 being unloaded of belongings. Front is being hooked up to a new Class 92.
Don't know where the damaged 92 has gone.
Up fast is still out.

 

[cb a1]

Id guess that you don't fly very often. As someone who commuted from Garelochead to kent for 3 years id much rather go through security at Glasgow than have to do a cross London connection with luggage. thats before your train gets later and later coming down the WCMl effectively missing your last connection in London. Trying to get assistance from the various rail companies for the last 65 miles is almost impossible you just get fobbed off although you usually do get you money back eventually.

If I commuted regularly from Garelochead to Kent maybe I'd prefer flying.
For my usual trips to London though, I have flown before but as it's a walk to station in my home city, walk to event in London, and walk to office in Glasgow that is so much easier than taxi to airport, fly to London, tube or train into London, walk to event and reverse. Plus I miss out on the social side of things when down in London if I'm flying back.

 

[trebor79]

The correct analogy would involve a finite supply of vegetarian food. Let's say you and your wife are in Greggs and there are two meat sausage rolls and one veggie one. The person behind you in the queue would prefer a veggie one. 2/3 of you would potentially go veggie but only 1/3 of you can. In terms of reducing meat consumption overall, it doesn't make any difference what your wife chooses.

The supply of food is no more finite than the supply of electricity. Need more food, grow more food. Need more power, build more power stations.
Anyway, I fear we will get knuckle-rapped if we continue to stray off topic. Suffice to say I believe travel by Caledonian Sleeper to be a very low carbon way to travel.

 

[Bletchleyite]

And I’m not sure a sleeper train with its low density, (particularly if single occupied cabins) is as carbon efficient as one might intuitively think a train service is.

But then your argument is to withdraw the service, not to discourage specific uses of it. The carbon emitted would barely be different between it running empty or full.

 

[Bletchleyite]

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailEUS/status/1190185978998251520/photo/1

It appears , from twitter, that passengers have been taken of 1M11 outside Euston (#Kensal Green ) but without luggage,so how will the luggage be re-united with its owner ? Seems a bit hard on anyone planning to take an early flight out of London or catch early Eurostar ..

They've already missed them anyway. It's probably better sitting in Euston waiting for it (at least you can go to the pub) than on a stuck train in a tunnel with no power.

 

[John R]

Again... power that could be used elsewhere in place of fossil fuel derived power, if the WCML wasn't using it. No power is really zero carbon until all of our power is zero carbon.

I agree with @Brissle Girl - anyone seriously wanting to reduce their impact should probably think twice about travelling that large distance just for a day or two. Just like those European weekend city breaks by air. It's not saying that no-one should ever do anything - just to be conscious of the impact of what we do do, and not to pretend that using the sleeper in this way has no impact, even if (hopefully) it's better than flying (and it would be great to know what the real numbers are).

Spot on. That was exactly my thinking. By the way, I’m not a carbon footprint saint myself, and am not advocating a complete cessation of leisure activities. But maybe we all need to think before popping off for a long return trip at the weekend and thus (in aggregate with others of similar minds) aggravating growth in our carbon footprint.

 

[Bassman]

whttps://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/how-green-are-caledonian-sleeper-stock.181973/

as a thread discussing the carbon footprint of the sleeper previously

Personal choices to reduce carbon footprint are I believe a matter for individual conscience.

However government policies should be strategic and towards carbon neutral : tax and not subsidise heavy CO2 use e.g. air travel, luxury holidays around the world, etc. : invest in rail travel and make better use of overnight rail travel to make best use of the network.

 

[Grumpy Git]

Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but there were three Caledonian Sleeper carriages at the back of Crewe station last night, (by what would have been the furthest platform back in the day by the rear entrance).

 

[Leisurefirst]

Looking forward to my first Lowlander journey and first on the new stock (have done the Highlander in the old stock a few times mostly in seats).
Any pair of seats offering the best leg room and or worst to avoid please?
I know certainly there were ones to avoid in the past!
Was thinking about 11B & C as no-one in front but is the wall there more of a hindrance?

 

[Kite159]

Looking forward to my first Lowlander journey and first on the new stock (have done the Highlander in the old stock a few times mostly in seats).
Any pair of seats offering the best leg room and or worst to avoid please?
I know certainly there were ones to avoid in the past!
Was thinking about 11B & C as no-one in front but is the wall there more of a hindrance?

I like 9A as there isn't a foot level vent giving you cold feet.

I would probably avoid those seats with the wall in front as you haven't got the legroom

 

[Leisurefirst]

I like 9A as there isn't a foot level vent giving you cold feet.

I would probably avoid those seats with the wall in front as you haven't got the legroom

Thanks Kite159!

 

[FtoE]

Not sure what’s up but the Inverness sleeper is still in Perth (7:50)

 

[31160]

Not sure what’s up but the Inverness sleeper is still in Perth (7:50)

Brake issues with the MK5s again

 

[FtoE]

Ah, cheers.
Station signs are now saying that Sleeper tickets are valid on the 08:11 ScotRail to Inverness.

 

[John Bishop]

Brake issues with the MK5s again

This issue is getting beyond a joke now. Have these issues been identified in a known set or are they fleet wide?

The resulting disruption to CS passengers and other TOCs trains and passengers is unacceptable. It is also reflecting badly on the brand. I read about this mornings problems in the press!

 

[bobbyrail]

Brake issues with the MK5s again

Is their a reliable source for this? RTT is quoting code M7 (Door and Door system faults) the brakes would be MN (Brake and brake systems faults)

I know RTT is not always correct but it can only relay what is in TRUST, so someone must have entered this correctly or not.

 

[John Bishop]

Is their a reliable source for this? RTT is quoting code M7 (Door and Door system faults) the brakes would be MN (Brake and brake systems faults)

I know RTT is not always correct but it can only relay what is in TRUST, so someone must have entered this correctly or not.

If a door becomes open or the train thinks it’s open then the brakes come on, which why it maybe confused with a brake issue.

I think this is the ongoing issue causing the numerous unsolicited brake applications every other night.

 

[FtoE]

The 08:11 ScotRail is, as you might expect, busy but it’s a 125 fortunately. It seems to have a refurb 1st class but the high-density non-refurb Standard, so everyone (at least in Standard) has a seat.
The only issue is that the trolley has run out of coffee!