Caledonian Sleeper

[JonathanH]

When the trains run via the NLL, does the loco run round at Wembley? Or is it top and tailed? I'll be on the Northbound Highlander in June and will be diverted this way.

Top and tail Euston to Wembley and Wembley to Euston - locomotive detached / attached at Wembley for the Euston bit only.

 

[TimboM]

Still no seated coach plan for the new stock though

The new seated coaches are 11 rows of 2 + 1. Seats are Rows 1 to 11 with seat A in each row being the single and B + C being the two together across the aisle.
The exception is the wheelchair space 01W in lieu of 01A + 01B.

WC at the Row 1 end; cycle/luggage/guards area at the other (Row 11) end.

When the trains run via the NLL, does the loco run round at Wembley? Or is it top and tailed? I'll be on the Northbound Highlander in June and will be diverted this way.

The normal route from the reversal in Wembley Yard when diverted via ECML is back south to Camden Junction, freight line through the old Primrose Hill station then Camden Road, York Way North Jnc and Copenhagen Jnc on to ECML.

 

[agbrs_Jack]

The new seated coaches are 11 rows of 2 + 1. Seats are Rows 1 to 11 with seat A in each row being the single and B + C being the two together across the aisle.
The exception is the wheelchair space 01W in lieu of 01A + 01B.

Thanks! Very helpful!

 

[adrock1976]

The new seated coaches are 11 rows of 2 + 1. Seats are Rows 1 to 11 with seat A in each row being the single and B + C being the two together across the aisle.
The exception is the wheelchair space 01W in lieu of 01A + 01B.

WC at the Row 1 end; cycle/luggage/guards area at the other (Row 11) end.

The normal route from the reversal in Wembley Yard when diverted via ECML is back south to Camden Junction, freight line through the old Primrose Hill station then Camden Road, York Way North Jnc and Copenhagen Jnc on to ECML.

An alternative route that has also been used previously was Willesden Junction Low Level - Kensal Rise - Camden Road, then as above.

 

[BRX]

I filmed the N London diversion last year (from the 'back' of the train as we left Euston) and we followed the route described by @adrock1976 above...

Up to around the 1 minute mark is from Euston to Wembley, after that we have reversed, passing Willesden J low level around 4.04, Camden Rd around 4.50, and around 6.00 approaching the junction with the ECML.

I also filmed from a diverted service in summer 2017, on this occasion from the 'front' of the train as it left Euston. At about 2.06 you can see we have left the loco that brought us from Euston, in Wembley Yard. From about 10.44 is the return journey arriving into London. Around 12.00 we approach the old site of Primrose Hill station (just before converging with the lines coming out of Euston) so evidently on that occasion the route was the one described by @TimboM above:

Quite a fun route do do, rather tortuous and somewhat confusing to anyone who is paying attention to where they are, but unaware of the diversion arrangements, because an hour plus after you leave Euston, the Euston tower appears at quite close hand on your right hand side!

 

[VT 390]

Are there any seating/berth plans for the new trains released yet?
I would like to see where in the carriage my Club room for when I travel this summer.

 

[Kite159]

Quite a fun route do do, rather tortuous and somewhat confusing to anyone who is paying attention to where they are, but unaware of the diversion arrangements, because an hour plus after you leave Euston, the Euston tower appears at quite close hand on your right hand side!

I can remember last year when I did an ECML divert from Scotland, how many folk got ready to alight from the train when it passed Finsbury Park (most likely used to being on the ECML where Finsbury Park is known as being a few minutes outside Kings Cross), only for the train to take nearly an hour (or so) to reach Euston.

 

[TimboM]

Are there any seating/berth plans for the new trains released yet?
I would like to see where in the carriage my Club room for when I travel this summer.

Each Sleeper coach is laid out pretty much as they are now.
Rooms 1-6 are the Club/En Suite rooms; then 7-10 are the Classic Rooms (no en suite).
Roughly speaking splitting the coach into three it's Rooms 1-3 at one end; 4-6 in the central third, the 7-10 at the other end.

This is of course if you get a Club Room and not still a Mk3...!

 

[PaxVobiscum]

Locked out lounge car 9807 still in the rake tonight for 1S26 Lowland northbound, but there’s another (6707) in the Glasgow section as well.

I am informed that there’s a sleeper coach been removed so that the train will fit in platform 15 but I couldn’t be bothered counting them myself. I’ve had my haggis with suitable liquid accompaniment so I’m quite happy.

ECS loco was 87002, no idea what’s about to haul us as I’ve walked 9.8 miles round London today and the front of the train is just too far away.

 

[theironroad]

Each Sleeper coach is laid out pretty much as they are now.
Rooms 1-6 are the Club/En Suite rooms; then 7-10 are the Classic Rooms (no en suite).
Roughly speaking splitting the coach into three it's Rooms 1-3 at one end; 4-6 in the central third, the 7-10 at the other end.

This is of course if you get a Club Room and not still a Mk3...!

So 60% of each carriage is Club and 40% Classic?

Is every carriage (except seated and lounge) the same ,so that the 60/40 spilt applies to the whole train....?

 

[TimboM]

Locked out lounge car 9807 still in the rake tonight for 1S26 Lowland northbound, but there’s another (6707) in the Glasgow section as well.

I am informed that there’s a sleeper coach been removed so that the train will fit in platform 15 but I couldn’t be bothered counting them myself. I’ve had my haggis with suitable liquid accompaniment so I’m quite happy.

ECS loco was 87002, no idea what’s about to haul us as I’ve walked 9.8 miles round London today and the front of the train is just too far away.

All services are max Load 14 currently due to the 8x Mk3s going off for scrap a month or so ago - so no issues with fitting in P15 (that can take Load 16 + 2x 92s)
90046 on the front.

 

[gingerheid]

The tslk of diversion routes made my check my Google maps history for my last trip. My phone thinks I went through King's Park in Glasgow on the Sunday southbound departure. Would that be right?

 

[TimboM]

So 60% of each carriage is Club and 40% Classic?

Is every carriage (except seated and lounge) the same ,so that the 60/40 spilt applies to the whole train....?

Each 8 coach unit has:
Seats (31 seats + wheelchair space)
Club Car
6x sleepers made up of either 5x Sleepers + 1x PRM (People of Restricted Mobility) Sleeper or 4x Sleepers + 2x PRM Sleepers if its the half-set that splits to go to ABD/FTW (to ensure 1x PRM in each portion).

The sleepers are all the same and as above.
The PRM sleeper is Accessible Classic Twin; 2x Caledonian Double Suites; 2x Classic Twins; Accessible Double

As noted before, all the rooms (bar the Doubles) can be set up as either single or twin rooms (both bunks in use).

 

[TimboM]

The tslk of diversion routes made my check my Google maps history for my last trip. My phone thinks I went through King's Park in Glasgow on the Sunday southbound departure. Would that be right?

Went via Mount Florida if that answers your question?

 

[tsr]

For info, tonight's 1S25 northbound Highland Sleeper is currently stood near Norton Bridge due to a freight train problem ahead (4S49 locomotive issues). No practical options exist to get round the failure, as it stands. Effectively now 2 hours late, and counting, although a rescue for the failed freight is presently underway.

 

[Statto]

For info, tonight's 1S25 northbound Highland Sleeper is currently stood near Norton Bridge due to a freight train problem ahead (4S49 locomotive issues). No practical options exist to get round the failure, as it stands. Effectively now 2 hours late, and counting, although a rescue for the failed freight is presently underway.

493Z is the culprit, there's a few more trains including 1K63 & 1H14 stuck, 1H14 is at Stafford due to go on the slows, but not sure if that can be diverted to the fast.

 

[tsr]

493Z is the culprit, there's a few more trains including 1K63 & 1H14 stuck, 1H14 is at Stafford due to go on the slows, but not sure if that can be diverted to the fast.

493Z is the scrambled (incorrect) headcode for 4S49...

1H14 cannot be diverted. Coaches ordered as all other reasonable diversionary routes have possessions or line blocks.

 

[Highlandspring]

The talk of diversion routes made my check my Google maps history for my last trip. My phone thinks I went through King's Park in Glasgow on the Sunday southbound departure. Would that be right?

Went via Mount Florida if that answers your question?

Yes to both. Outer Cathcart Circle via Mount Florida to Cathcart North Jn then Up Kirkhill via Kings Park to Newton East Jn.

 

[Statto]

493Z is the scrambled (incorrect) headcode for 4S49...

1H14 cannot be diverted. Coaches ordered as all other reasonable diversionary routes have possessions or line blocks.

Thought so, the Lowland Sleeper 1S26 is about to get caught up in the disruption as well.

 

[tsr]

Line reopened. 1S25 is 163mins late. 1S26 is behind a queue of several freights.

 

[Statto]

1S25 should be just South of Carlisle, but just gone through Madeley Junction that's how bad the disruption has been.

 

[marks87]

1S25 should be just South of Carlisle, but just gone through Madeley Junction that's how bad the disruption has been.

I’d have a better idea if I knew where “Madeley Junctiion” was.

I really wish people would stop using Realtime Trains (RTT) to try and look knowledgeable, only to end up posting absolute wibble that’s confusing to the majority of readers. I mean both this and the (incorrect) headcode for the broken-down freight.

Why not just say which station it’s closest to? Or, in the case of the broken-down train, “it was the xxxx from yyyy to zzzz”?

Sorry to others for the rant but it’s downright irritating. At times it feels like RTT is the bane of this site.

 

[TimboM]

I’d have a better idea if I knew where “Madeley Junctiion” was.

I really wish people would stop using Realtime Trains (RTT) to try and look knowledgeable, only to end up posting absolute wibble that’s confusing to the majority of readers. I mean both this and the (incorrect) headcode for the broken-down freight.

Why not just say which station it’s closest to? Or, in the case of the broken-down train, “it was the xxxx from yyyy to zzzz”?

Sorry to others for the rant but it’s downright irritating. At times it feels like RTT is the bane of this site.

Madeley is town in Staffordshire not really near any (major) station - a completely adequate description of the location and not wibble or anything specific to RTT.

 

[Suraggu]

I’d have a better idea if I knew where “Madeley Junctiion” was.

I really wish people would stop using Realtime Trains (RTT) to try and look knowledgeable, only to end up posting absolute wibble that’s confusing to the majority of readers. I mean both this and the (incorrect) headcode for the broken-down freight.

Why not just say which station it’s closest to? Or, in the case of the broken-down train, “it was the xxxx from yyyy to zzzz”?

Sorry to others for the rant but it’s downright irritating. At times it feels like RTT is the bane of this site.

RTT is also the bane of many TOC/FOC staff as well...

 

[Surreytraveller]

I’d have a better idea if I knew where “Madeley Junctiion” was.

I really wish people would stop using Realtime Trains (RTT) to try and look knowledgeable, only to end up posting absolute wibble that’s confusing to the majority of readers. I mean both this and the (incorrect) headcode for the broken-down freight.

Why not just say which station it’s closest to? Or, in the case of the broken-down train, “it was the xxxx from yyyy to zzzz”?

Sorry to others for the rant but it’s downright irritating. At times it feels like RTT is the bane of this site.

If someone uses the name of a location I am not familiar with, a quick perusal of Google Maps normally solves the problem

 

[Surreytraveller]

I can remember last year when I did an ECML divert from Scotland, how many folk got ready to alight from the train when it passed Finsbury Park (most likely used to being on the ECML where Finsbury Park is known as being a few minutes outside Kings Cross), only for the train to take nearly an hour (or so) to reach Euston.

Maybe it would be better if during diversions, it stopped at a suitable location such as Finsbury Park so people could get on with their day?

 

[marks87]

Madeley is a town of 18,000 inhabitants in east Shropshire. It is a place in the UK and not really near any (major) station - a completely adequate description of the location and not wibble or anything specific to RTT.

There's plenty of examples on the railway of junctions etc. that bear no relation to any modern usage of the name. A nearby example for me is Camperdown Junction, which might be near the historic dock but is nowhere near the far, far more widely-known park.

I just don't see why there's this obsession with looking at RTT and posting obscure references in an attempt to look knowledgeable.

What would have been wrong with saying "still south of Crewe"? Far more people would be familiar with that as a location than "Madeley Junction".

Anyway, it seems this is a minority view so I'll leave it there.

 

[Bletchleyite]

RTT is also the bane of many TOC/FOC staff as well...

I wouldn't use it if TOCs provided that level of information themselves. I note some have started to do so, e.g. where the inbound train actually is.

It also circumvents the Euston scrum. Until the TOCs pack that in...

 

[Mag_seven]

RTT is also the bane of many TOC/FOC staff as well...

Why is that?

 

[Surreytraveller]

Why is that?

Because people think they know what platform their train is on. 9 times out of 10 they are right. 1 time out of 10 they are wrong, because of a set swap the signaller has yet to be informed of, or some other reason