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JoshW1992

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Morning all,

I am planning to do an All Line Rover in July time, but I am starting to organise little bits and bobs now. I am hoping to do a return trip on the Euston-Fort William sleeper, as well as Penzance-Paddington.

I'm a slight bit unsure about how it all works and I'm sure there are many of you fine people that have used these services before. If anybody has any information about how it all works.. i.e is there anywhere I need to change (on the ScotRail sleeper?) Is there refreshments on the trains and if so, are they available all night?
And generally, what are they like?

Much Appreciated


Josh

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Hiya Josh! I'll explain as much as I know about the FSR sleeper:

You can get on the sleeper with your ALR, but must pay a supplement for a berth. For berths and seated sleeper, you must make a reservation anyway.

If you're going to FW as a seated sleeper passenger, you need to alight at Edinburgh and board a different carriage. They only run the FW sleeper cars to London, and the buffet and SS coaches are added at Edinburgh, so SS Lon-FW means travelling in the Aberdeen(?) portion to FW then chnaging onto the FW portion at Edinburgh. Sadly, if you want to get some sleep, this does mean a nice 4am rise :shock:

There are refreshments, and I'd imagine that they would be available all night, but don't quote me on that!

I'd personally not suggest doing a return on the FW sleeper, though. Fantastic journey, I've been told on several occasions, but there's not much in FW other than The Jacobite, and a whole day there would ba a bit of a waste. I'd suggest you do the FW sleeper at the start/end of the ALR, and buy a FOS travelpass and do a bit in Scotland. You can tour Scotland (you'll get a lot done in 4 days, and it's 4 from 8 so you have time for non-rail exploring if you desire) and return to England by the sleeper from anywhere or a regular daytime train. Of course, if you come from Dover, that'd have to be a pretty good AP fare!

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is there anywhere I need to change (on the ScotRail sleeper?)

If your going to Fort William as a seated passenger then you will be booked on the Aberdeen Portion (coach A) then once you get to Edinburgh you will have to change coaches to the Fort William Portion (it will be at the far East End)

Is there refreshments on the trains and if so, are they available all night?

Yes there's a restaurant on board open all night. If your a seated traveller then you'll get served through a little hole and not allowed in the main restaurant area.

Few more questions said:
Best way to go

If you want a good day in July then what i might suggest is travel to Inverness (even in seated you don't have to wake up till you get there coach H), then across to Kyle of Lochalsh, the 158s have First Class but there is no First Class service on the line so you can sit in with a Standard ticket, was very nice to be able to charge my phone while having the front of the train to myself.

From there you get a bus to Armadale on the Isle of Skye (might have to change at Broadford on some but it's only a 10 min wait with a through bus ticket).

At Armadale get the ferry to Mallaig (only about £3) and by which time you should connect with the Jacobite down to Fort William where you can spend a few hrs and get the sleeper back. (it's better to go seated going south than north as you change at midnight going south instead of 4am going north)
 

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Thanks very much for your advice and information guys, much appreciated. There will probably be about 5 or 6 of us going hopefully, which means we will have to buy 3 berths (I think.)
Although, we will spend most of the night in the restaurant :)
 

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The catering generally stays open till a reasonable hour, but if you pop down at 4am, I'm sure they'd still do you a coffee. The lounge car is first come first served and First Class ticket holders take preference if its busy which it is in the June/July/August period.

You must book your berths in advance, and I'd say book em 3/4 weeks in advance at a minimum, but of course you can't purchase your ALR till 3days ahead of travel, so you'll need to ring FSR telesales to book the berth. While probably technically naughty, I've never had any problems with telling them I have a First Class Rover ticket (even on the occasions when I didn't) and still getting a First Class Berth.

With the FGW sleeper, the same advice applies regarding booking in advance and having to use the telephone booking line for FGW.

The lounge on the FGW sleeper is just a standard MkIII buffet with First Class seating. The sleeping coaches have all been done out, with new bedding, refurbished sinks and covers, but they're not quite as plush as the FSR ones.
 

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The catering generally stays open till a reasonable hour, but if you pop down at 4am, I'm sure they'd still do you a coffee. The lounge car is first come first served and First Class ticket holders take preference if its busy which it is in the June/July/August period.

You must book your berths in advance, and I'd say book em 3/4 weeks in advance at a minimum, but of course you can't purchase your ALR till 3days ahead of travel, so you'll need to ring FSR telesales to book the berth. While probably technically naughty, I've never had any problems with telling them I have a First Class Rover ticket (even on the occasions when I didn't) and still getting a First Class Berth.

With the FGW sleeper, the same advice applies regarding booking in advance and having to use the telephone booking line for FGW.

The lounge on the FGW sleeper is just a standard MkIII buffet with First Class seating. The sleeping coaches have all been done out, with new bedding, refurbished sinks and covers, but they're not quite as plush as the FSR ones.


Ok thanks, I will be on a standard class ALR ticket, but if I purchase a berth, can I still sit in the restaurant area?
 

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To be really honest with about 96 Standard beds and 24 First beds the Inverness portion don't really sell out too much it's just the others you have to watch out for especially the Aberdeen on rig change over days, so 3 days in advance should be fine with that.

But i'd book the Fort William on the side asap (coach F in a Standard Berth will be at the very back so you can get some good shots of the train crossing the line round the bends going South).
 

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To be really honest with about 96 Standard beds and 24 First beds the Inverness portion don't really sell out too much it's just the others you have to watch out for especially the Aberdeen on rig change over days, so 3 days in advance should be fine with that.

But i'd book the Fort William on the side asap (coach F in a Standard Berth will be at the very back so you can get some good shots of the train crossing the line round the bends going South).

Oh right. Cheers! :D
 

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Gotta agree with Ascot (*almost faints*) with the suggested trip around Scotland. Not only does it cover massive amounts of track through the night (I don't know how much of it you need) but the Kyle line is absolutely amazing (I've got photos somewhere on here, I'll upload them, of the scenery on the line). Also agree that it was well nice to sit in FC on that line as it's Standard only. Not much difference in the seats IIRC, but it's one of those few lines you can do such a thing on. I've not done the ferry and bus bits as we went up there for the SRPS tour with the 47s at the time, but it does sound like a good way to include things like the Isle of Skye (would be criminal to go all the way up to Kyle and not visit the Isle!) and getting The Jacobite in. Don't forget that's additional charge as the ALR is not valid on it.

My main recommendation however is to ensure you charge your batteries for your camera (assuming you use rechargeables) before getting to Scotland. Why? There's so much fantastic scenery up there you'll want to take lots and lots of photos.

And unless you're a very light sleeper/very excited about the upcoming trip (like me) when on the sleeper, you might not enjoy a sharp stop in the platforms at Edinburgh Waverley for the change of coaches at 0345 (or thereabouts), the stop was such that I nearly got sent flying down the train when we got to Edinburgh last time! Hopefully it's usually more reasonable than that! You'd get around an hour of GM noise irritating you under the roof at Waverley before the Fort William portion departs at 0450. When it was 37s, the ticking-over of that EE engine was divine under the roof. I get to compare EE with GM in the same conditions in about 6 weeks, I'll let you know if I get driven mad by it ;)

So going south is actually more reasonable (arrive around midnight as Ascot says, leave within 30 - 60 minutes) and you're more likely to be awake. Of course, if you do the berths on the Fort William line you'll not need to change anyway.

As for the FGW sleeper, as 91101 says, it is declassfied throughout in the seated sleeper, using ex-First Class seats. Beware the head cushions though, they are not very soft! But the seats do recline a bit to make sleep slightly easier (I tend to sleep leaning on the table, head on top of folded arms with a coat between the head and arms, when on the train so it doesn't help me). Never done the berths with FGW, always fancied it.

Berths are usually available until departure time with FGW, although at weekends, especially in summer time, they might sell out. Be prepared to ride the cushions if so. Mid-week you should be OK. And who knows, you might be lucky enough to get a Duff hired-in on the day you do it?

I hope there's something useful to you in the above post.

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There will probably be about 5 or 6 of us going hopefully, which means we will have to buy 3 berths (I think.)
Although, we will spend most of the night in the restaurant :)

Well apart from the bit when its skip hauled I have me head out the window (Is that aloud though) :lol:how many people can one berth carry?


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I've not done the ferry and bus bits as we went up there for the SRPS tour with the 47s at the time, but it does sound like a good way to include things like the Isle of Skye (would be criminal to go all the way up to Kyle and not visit the Isle!) and getting The Jacobite in.

The round trip via Skye is recommended, I did a few years ago. You don't get to see that much of the Skye, but the scenery is still excellent. You also have the advantage of doing two different lines in one trip.
 

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The round trip via Skye is recommended, I did a few years ago. You don't get to see that much of the Skye, but the scenery is still excellent. You also have the advantage of doing two different lines in one trip.

Very true that, I'm adding it to my list of things to do in 2009.
 

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Agree with them; the Skye trip is pretty great, and it's something that I aim to do at some point (although I'll probably never get round to it). Kyle Line has great scenery apparently, the West Highland is said to have the same, Skye is a beautiful island and the ferry has got some pretty good views as well; see here.
 

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When i did it i got a bus from Kyle (go left out the station to the bus stops outside the corner shop), get it to Broadford (you can tell because theres a few shops and a petrol station not far past the airfield) then you cross over the road and get the bus to Armadale. It stops right outside the ferry terminal.
 

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Passed that way myself last week!
One of the few opportunities of live train spotting from the flight deck of a warship.
There was a 158 in the station but I couldnt make out the number.
 

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