Caldervale line is no more - Calder Valley returns!

[Hebden Bridger]

I'm extremely glad to say that in a very quiet piece of rebranding, WYMetro seem to have renamed the so called "Caldervale Line" back to its proper Calder Valley name.

Of course I've never used that abomination of a term, so I'm really glad to see this, even if I didn't notice it for a few weeks. There also seems to be a new logo "Linking Lancashire and Yorkshire" featuring a red and white rose linked by a line.

The old name still appears on the link on the WYMetro website, but the page itself has been updated. http://www.wymetro.com/TrainTravel/traintimetables/caldervaleline/

 

[Sacro]

However Todmorden doesn't appear to be located, just named.

 

[Bantamzen]

However Todmorden doesn't appear to be located, just named.

Perhaps it's a cunning plan to reduce the impact of the future Copy Pit services slowing down the fast Calder Valley services to Manchester by no longer stopping anything at Tod....

(Joke BTW!! )

 

[AM9]

Perhaps it's a cunning plan to reduce the impact of the future Copy Pit services slowing down the fast Calder Valley services to Manchester by no longer stopping anything at Tod....

(Joke BTW!! )

The map is a bit of a joke. I know it's not supposed to be to any scale but even if it is rotated 90deg CW to represent east-west correctly, it shows Preston and Blackpool as being north of Manchester. Bizarre!

 

[gordonthemoron]

or south even HTH

 

[HowardGWR]

or south even HTH

Not to mention the notion of where the river Calder is.

 

[87019Chris]

Also there is 4 trains a day Monday to Saturday from BDI to KGX on the Website it only says 3 trains

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Not to mention the notion of where the river Calder is.

Well said. I really do appreciate "cutting comments" such as yours shown above.

Wouldn't it be nice if the postings made so far in this thread could be forwarded on to the offending body responsible for this hiatus...:roll:

 

[Jonny]

Not to mention the notion of where the river Calder is.

Which River Calder? There are two different River Calder-s along that route

 

[Hebden Bridger]

Not to mention the notion of where the river Calder is.

The River Calder ????

Off course the name Calder Valley dates back to the original line which ran pretty much the length of the Yorkshire Calder terminating at Normanton.

And the eastern section of the Calder doesn't really have much of a valley - certainly in local usage "The Valley" doesn't extend east of Brighouse. Just in the same way as the Yorkshire Dales to the north finish when the rivers leave the Pennines.
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The map is a bit of a joke. I know it's not supposed to be to any scale but even if it is rotated 90deg CW to represent east-west correctly, it shows Preston and Blackpool as being north of Manchester. Bizarre!

or south even HTH

Well it's a Yorkshiremans view of the geography of Lancashire. What do you expect? I've always scratched my head at the fact that trains leaving Hebden apparently fork right for Manchester and left for Blackpool. I'm glad the signalmen know better.

 

[HowardGWR]

Note my moniker.

I just looked at the map and saw that the Calder appeared to peter out near Todmorden somewhere, so well west of Brighouse. Where's the other one then? I could not find one near Blackpool.

 

[Deerfold]

Note my moniker.

I just looked at the map and saw that the Calder appeared to peter out near Todmorden somewhere, so well west of Brighouse. Where's the other one then? I could not find one near Blackpool.

Indeed that is well west of Brighouse - HebdenBridger said it didn't go any further east than Brighouse.

 

[Hebden Bridger]

Note my moniker.

I just looked at the map and saw that the Calder appeared to peter out near Todmorden somewhere, so well west of Brighouse. Where's the other one then? I could not find one near Blackpool.

The Lancashire Calder rises in the Cliviger Gorge (probably better known as Copy Pit to folks here), a couple of 100 metres away from the source of the Yorkshire Calder just the other side of the Pennine Watershed. The Lancashire Calder flows north west through Burnley and joins the Ribble somewhere around Clitheroe. (Its in Lancashire, I can't be precise). So the Copy Pit line follows two River Calders.

"The Calder Valley" stretches from Cliviger Gorge as far EAST as Brighouse or thereabouts where the Yorkshire Calder leaves the Pennines. As a coincidence I caught up with the BBC1 drama "Happy Valley" on iplayer last night and it was set in various locations between Todmorden and Sowerby Bridge with the occasional grotty area of Halifax, not Dewsbury or Wakefield.

So I disagree with your point about Metro apparently not knowing the route of the Calder - they do know the whereabouts of the Calder Valley. Trains shown in the timetable serve the length of the Calder Valley and all the services shown run through at least part of the Calder Valley (except perhaps the odd Manchester Victoria to Rochdale service). True they extend much, much further (Bradford, Leeds, Blackpool, Manchester, York, Selby), but the likes of the Huddersfield lines and Harrogate lines aren't confined to running just in Huddersfield and Harrogate.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Lancashire Calder rises in the Cliviger Gorge (probably better known as Copy Pit to folks here), a couple of 100 metres away from the source of the Yorkshire Calder just the other side of the Pennine Watershed. The Lancashire Calder flows north west through Burnley and joins the Ribble somewhere around Clitheroe. (Its in Lancashire, I can't be precise). So the Copy Pit line follows two River Calders.

Indeed so. It is the "Lancashire" River Calder that flows past the rear of the grounds of Whalley Abbey.

 

[AndyHudds]

And the Yorkshire Calder continues onto to Wakefield and Castleford where it joins the Aire, well beyond Brighouse.

 

[Hebden Bridger]

And the Yorkshire Calder continues onto to Wakefield and Castleford where it joins the Aire, well beyond Brighouse.

Yes, but for the third time, Wakefield and Castleford aren't considered (at least I've never heard them considered) as being in The Calder Valley. A river can flow over plains as well as through valleys. And once you're past Brighouse you're in pancake country.

 

[johnnychips]

Yes, but for the third time, Wakefield and Castleford aren't considered (at least I've never heard them considered) as being in The Calder Valley. A river can flow over plains as well as through valleys. And once you're past Brighouse you're in pancake country.

Doesn't the line from Donny to Wakefield cross the Calder via a big viaduct, which suggests a valley?

 

[Hebden Bridger]

Doesn't the line from Donny to Wakefield cross the Calder via a big viaduct, which suggests a valley?

Not to me there's a distinct lack of any contours in the area according to the OS map.

I really give up, I've only lived in the Calder Valley for 60 years, Is there anyone here who lives on the route of the River Calder east of Brighouse who claims they live in the Calder Valley?

If so I'll send Sarah Lancashire, Hebden's finest violent cop, round to sort you out.
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Now this is what I'd call a big viaduct - 120 ft high, above Hebden Water, of course a tributary of the Yorkshire Calder. Long gone of course although the stone foundations remain in the river and you can walk the route of the railway, altough the path suddenly ends on one side of the valley and you can see it reappearing way across on the other.

http://www.milltownmemories.org.uk/mm8/images/131s.jpg

Even before my time.

 

[Welshman]

I really give up, I've only lived in the Calder Valley for 60 years, Is there anyone here who lives on the route of the River Calder east of Brighouse who claims they live in the Calder Valley?

If so I'll send Sarah Lancashire, Hebden's finest violent cop, round to sort you out.

As a native of Copley until venturing to the bright lights of London and University, I never got the impression that even those good folks thought of themselves living in the Calder Valley, even though the river flows right through the village and originally powered the mill at which most of them toiled for five and a half days per week.

To me, the "Calder Valley" ends at Milner Royd Junction with the diverging of the Halifax and Brighouse lines. And I'm pleased that Metro has dropped the "Caldervale" title. The word "Vale" does not do justice to the steep, craggy, millstone grit gorges between Hebden Bridge & Todmorden, where the river, canal, road and railway jostle for space.

By the way, don't send Sarah Lancashire round to knock on my door. It's her predecessor by 30 years, Juliet Bravo, who cuts it for me.

 

[HowardGWR]

I apologise for opening wide this particular can of worms. I tell you what, it has encouraged me to visit, so look out for a bloke whose main sounds are ooh arr, ooh arr, and of course chewing that straw. The cowherd's smock rather gives it away as well.

 

[Darren R]

So where is Calderdale then?!

(Just to muddy the waters still further! )

 

[Welshman]

So where is Calderdale then?!

(Just to muddy the waters still further! )

Is that the Yorkshire or Lancashire Calder you're muddying?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

So where is Calderdale then?!

(Just to muddy the waters still further! )

Please feel free to correct me if any of the four items below are no longer still current:-

Metropolitan Borough of Calderdale
Calderdale and Huddersfield NHS Foundation Trust
Calderdale Royal Hospital
Calderdale College

 

[61653 HTAFC]

So where is Calderdale then?!

(Just to muddy the waters still further! )

'Calderdale' is one of those neologous names that were popular during the local government reorganisations of the 1970s, and found in the examples given above by Paul.
It is at least vaguely descriptive of the area though, unlike neighbouring Kirklees which takes its name from an old manor house in the area, but which is actually situated within the boundaries of, you guessed it, Calderdale!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

'Calderdale' is one of those neologous names that were popular during the local government reorganisations of the 1970s, and found in the examples given above by Paul.
It is at least vaguely descriptive of the area though, unlike neighbouring Kirklees which takes its name from an old manor house in the area, but which is actually situated within the boundaries of, you guessed it, Calderdale!

There are two such analogously-named constituent parts of what is loosely termed as "Greater Manchester" that came about in the same time period to which you allude...Tameside and Trafford.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

There are two such neologeously-named constituent parts of what is loosely termed as "Greater Manchester" that came about in the same time period to which you allude...Tameside and Trafford.

Though presumably those names do at least bear some reference to places or geographical features within their own boundaries!

By the way, I wasn't 100% sure that my use of the term "neologeous" was not itself a neologism... Pleased to find it wasn't, even if my spelling was a bit off!

Apologies for the continued off topic diversion. As you were...!

 

[wellhouse]

....we have the Yorkshire Dales down to Airedale, then ...

Calder Valley
Colne Valley
Holme Valley
Longendale Valley (Woodhead Pass).. having it both ways as a dale and a valley...

...and then we have the Derbyshire Dales.

Why the valleys in the middle of all the dales?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

....we have the Yorkshire Dales down to Airedale, then ...

Calder Valley
Colne Valley
Holme Valley
Longendale Valley (Woodhead Pass).. having it both ways as a dale and a valley...

...and then we have the Derbyshire Dales.

Why the valleys in the middle of all the dales?

Anything to do with the effects caused by glaciation and the subsequent river erosion that then followed ?

 

[Carlisle]

'Calderdale' is one of those neologous names that were popular during the local government reorganisations of the 1970s, and found in the examples given above by Paul.
It is at least vaguely descriptive of the area though, unlike neighbouring Kirklees which takes its name from an old manor house in the area, but which is actually situated within the boundaries of, you guessed it, Calderdale!

It reminds me of the old Alder Valley bus company created in early 70s a totally meaningless name referring to nowhere

 

[johnnychips]

We don't say Longdendale Valley, just Longdendale, which then becomes the Etherow Valley (brought up in Mottram-in-Longdendale, even though it isn't really)