Buying an extra ticket to claim additional seat for luggage

[noddingdonkey]

On a pretty crowded train once, a woman with her leg in a plaster cast on the facing seat refused to let someone sit on the seat as she needed it for her leg. Wonder how that would be viewed, if she'd had the foresight to buy a ticket for the extra seat (not sure if she had - she wasn't challenged by the passenger who managed to find a seat elsewhere).

That's an awkward one - arguably a leg in plaster could be viewed as a temporary disability so the railway could be expected to make "reasonable adjustments", and allowing the passenger to rest her leg on a seat in those circumstances doesn't seem unreasonable.

In terms of people wanting extra space, isn't there something in the NFM about charging 6x the fare for exclusive use of a compartment? Could that principle be (tenuously) applied to a table bay of four seats?

 

[Essexman]

Should someone who is so obese that they spread over more than one seat be asked to buy two tickets?

 

[EM2]

However Appendix B is silent on what these charges might be.

Appendix B clause 6 says that the amount charged for excess luggage will not exceed half the adult single fare for the journey or part of the journey over which the luggage is being conveyed.
So I suspect that's the criteria that would be used.

 

[Trog]

What if the lady had asked at the booking office, as to how she could reserve the adjacent seat for her luggage, and the booking office clerk working backwards from Appendix B clause 6 had said that will be a half fare then please madam. Or if having heard Guards saying move your luggage or pay half fare, she had thought that's worth paying, and said please reserve me a adult single, and a half fare for my luggage to X.

Surely that would then be a contract and as enforceable as any other ticket?

 

[Flamingo]

What if the lady had asked at the booking office, as to how she could reserve the adjacent seat for her luggage, and the booking office clerk working backwards from Appendix B clause 6 had said that will be a half fare then please madam. Or if having heard Guards saying move your luggage or pay half fare, she had thought that's worth paying, and said please reserve me a adult single, and a half fare for my luggage to X.

Surely that would then be a contract and as enforceable as any other ticket?

No. (At least, not on my train if somebody is standing who wishes to sit down).

 

[Mitch in Notts]

When I travelled in my reserved seat on EMT last week I noted the label stated that to occupy a reserved seat 'illegally' (I forget the exact terms) was an offence and liable to a fine (£50?).
Presumably would only happen if you were asked to move and refused to do so.

 

[Flamingo]

When I travelled in my reserved seat on EMT last week I noted the label stated that to occupy a reserved seat 'illegally' (I forget the exact terms) was an offence and liable to a fine (£50?).
Presumably would only happen if you were asked to move and refused to do so.

Does anybody know if this has ever happened?

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Does anybody know if this has ever happened?

Byelay 19 seems to cover this:

19. Classes of accommodation, reserved seats and sleeping berths
Except with permission from an authorised person, no person shall remain in any seat, berth or any part of a train where a notice indicates that it is reserved for a specified ticket holder or holders of tickets of a specific class, except the holder of a valid ticket entitling him to be in that particular place.

Has it ever been enforced? Well I can't be sure, but I'd be very surprised if not!

 

[maniacmartin]

Surely that would then be a contract and as enforceable as any other ticket?

It doesn't say if you have paid that amount you can put your luggage on a seat. It says that you can't consume a seat with luggage, but if you for whatever reason refuse to remove it you are liable to pay such a fee.

 

[Flamingo]

It doesn't say if you have paid that amount you can put your luggage on a seat. It says that you can't consume a seat with luggage, but if you for whatever reason refuse to remove it you are liable to pay such a fee.

That wouldn't be my interpretation of it. Luggage causing an obstruction can be moved - whether the owner likes it or not.

The charge (rarely enforced - I don't even know how to do it) applies to all luggage over the size or allowance, regardless of where stored.

 

[Trog]

What I was saying was that if the Lady had stated that the ticket was for a seat for her luggage to the booking clerk before she bought it, then by selling her the ticket on that basis he is entering his company into a contract. Then at the least after a passing Flamingo (or bird of a similar feather), has removed her luggage she is going to be entitled to a refund of that ticket. As once traveling luggage rack class, her luggage (within size limits) is then included on her ticket.

 

[district]

The charge (rarely enforced - I don't even know how to do it) applies to all luggage over the size or allowance, regardless of where stored.

I thought you had to sell the anytime single/return with the discount ''AAA'' (accompanied animals/articles) which would be the charge as set out in Appendix B.

 

[Flamingo]

I thought you had to sell the anytime single/return with the discount ''AAA'' (accompanied animals/articles) which would be the charge as set out in Appendix B.

I honestly don't know! Anybody I've ever asked didn't know either:
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What I was saying was that if the Lady had stated that the ticket was for a seat for her luggage to the booking clerk before she bought it, then by selling her the ticket on that basis he is entering his company into a contract. Then at the least after a passing Flamingo (or bird of a similar feather), has removed her luggage she is going to be entitled to a refund of that ticket. As once traveling luggage rack class, her luggage (within size limits) is then included on her ticket.

If the ticket is unused, and one that a refund can be claimed on, I would endorse it "unused" and advise them to claim a refund. Whether customer services charged a £10 admin charge would depend on how persuasive an arguement the passenger put up, I would guess.

 

[TUC]

. I believe that a reservation can only apply to a person, so if there's only one person, there's only one reservation that can be in use at any time.

Mostly, although on several occasions when my wife has booked assistance with TPE they have offered to book the reserve the adjoining seat to create space for her guide dog-not for the dog to occupy the seat I hasten to add but rather to leave comfortable floor space for the dog.