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Business travellers claiming Delay Repay?

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nanstallon

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Advice, please. I had an e-voucher which I used to obtain a ticket. My train was over an hour late and normally I'd claim delay repay. The ticket states a price paid, but I never paid any money for it. So, would a delay repay claim be turned down, or even treated as fraudulent? I don't want to get into trouble!
 
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Advice, please. I had an e-voucher which I used to obtain a ticket. My train was over an hour late and normally I'd claim delay repay. The ticket states a price paid, but I never paid any money for it. So, would a delay repay claim be turned down, or even treated as fraudulent? I don't want to get into trouble!

My understanding is that Delay Repay is compensation for the delay not a refund of the ticket price, notwithstanding the fact that the amount payable is linked to the ticket price.

Hence some TOCs requiring each passenger in a group to make a separate claim rather than the person who paid for all the tickets.
 

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My understanding is that Delay Repay is compensation for the delay not a refund of the ticket price, notwithstanding the fact that the amount payable is linked to the ticket price.

Hence some TOCs requiring each passenger in a group to make a separate claim rather than the person who paid for all the tickets.
Indeed. One of the fundamental differences between refunds and delay compensation is that the latter is paid to the passenger, who might not necessarily be the person who bought the ticket.
 

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Indeed. One of the fundamental differences between refunds and delay compensation is that the latter is paid to the passenger, who might not necessarily be the person who bought the ticket.

I'm sure that's benefited plenty of people travelling on expenses.
 

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I'm sure that's benefited plenty of people travelling on expenses.
... where there employer has lost working hours as a consequence.

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My understanding is that Delay Repay is compensation for the delay not a refund of the ticket price, notwithstanding the fact that the amount payable is linked to the ticket price.

Hence some TOCs requiring each passenger in a group to make a separate claim rather than the person who paid for all the tickets.
Actually, in legal terms, maintaining that it is "compensation" when it is limited to the value paid for the ticket is much more akin to 'liquidated damages', with the purchase price of the actual ticket as a cap. Hence the name Delay Repay. So a person on a full price flexible ticket gets more than another on a low band advance ticket despite both passengers suffering the same delay.
 
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... where there employer has lost working hours as a consequence.
Not necessarily just in such circumstances. Most reasonable employers won't have a problem with employees claiming delay compensation where they've lost out on their own time as a result of train delays - even if they didn't originally pay for the ticket.

Actually, in legal terms, maintaining that it is "compensation" when it is limited to the value paid for the ticket is much more akin to 'liquidated damages', with the purchase price of the actual ticket as a cap. Hence the name Delay Repay. So a person on a full price flexible ticket gets more than another on a low band advance ticket despite both passengers suffering the same delay.
The name is more confusing than helpful. Most other railways across Europe manage just fine by calling it the compensation it is. However, as you say, the particular type of compensation is liquidated damages, as the amount is fixed in advance and doesn't depend on actual losses.
 

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I'm sure that's benefited plenty of people travelling on expenses.
Employers have varying policies around what is to be done with delay compensation. A few require it to be paid back to the company!
Not necessarily just in such circumstances. Most reasonable employers won't have a problem with employees claiming delay compensation where they've lost out on their own time as a result of train delays - even if they didn't originally pay for the ticket.
Indeed. Probably a strong correlation with the unreasonable employers who require original train tickets to be handed in with expense claims, whilst those claiming mileage are just asked to write down how far they drove :lol:
 

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Indeed. Probably a strong correlation with the unreasonable employers who require original train tickets to be handed in with expense claims, whilst those claiming mileage are just asked to write down how far they drove :lol:
That covers IBM then. A potentially great company controlled by accountants who couldn't care less about the value of something if it smacked them in the face. Their route to getting a promotion is reducing costs, no matter how debilitating the cost reductions are to the wider business.
 

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Not necessarily just in such circumstances. Most reasonable employers won't have a problem with employees claiming delay compensation where they've lost out on their own time as a result of train delays - even if they didn't originally pay for the ticket.
Mine happily let me keep delay repay, even if it means that 'working time' could have been lost. Although normally I end up working on the train anyway, if I have reasonable internet access. Did quite nicely out of my last one - 100% refund on the ticket because of multiple incidents (person on the Norwich-> London line, then overhead lines down out of Paddington) when trying to get to Heathrow.
 

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Employers have varying policies around what is to be done with delay compensation. A few require it to be paid back to the company!

Indeed. Probably a strong correlation with the unreasonable employers who require original train tickets to be handed in with expense claims, whilst those claiming mileage are just asked to write down how far they drove :lol:

I've never seen a written policy at our place, but since it's been cash my approach has been to net it off the expenses if the lost time was the business's time but keep it if the lost time was mine. When it was RTVs I usually just used them for extra optional trips to the office as our corporate rail booking system (which we are mandated to use so they can collect stats) doesn't have a means to take them and they were almost never enough for a full expensable trip.

My most recent major delay involved the loss of half a day's billable work (worth quite a bit more than the DR) so it only seemed reasonable that they got it, as I in effect got a free afternoon off (albeit on board a stationary train) anyway.

My approach would be the same with EU261 for a flight too, but that's not arisen yet.
 

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Not necessarily just in such circumstances. Most reasonable employers won't have a problem with employees claiming delay compensation where they've lost out on their own time as a result of train delays - even if they didn't originally pay for the ticket.
I think you've misunderstood my wording here: is said where the employer has lost working hours, i.e. turning up late for work because of transport delays might be tolerated, but still considered to be an employee shortfall by some ubnless the employee is travelling to somewhere other than their 'normal workplace'.
 

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Our business flight from London to Scotland was overbooked, and the cabin crew were offering an increasing amount, cash in hand, to anyone who'd get off and catch the next flight. I virtually had to hold my junior colleague down to stop him availing himself of the £100 on offer. (Our job for the day didn't allow for such a delay!)
 

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Advice, please. I had an e-voucher which I used to obtain a ticket. My train was over an hour late and normally I'd claim delay repay. The ticket states a price paid, but I never paid any money for it. So, would a delay repay claim be turned down, or even treated as fraudulent? I don't want to get into trouble!

Because your question seems to have been answered early on @nanstallon, we’ve edited the title slightly and moved the thread to take into account the wider subject.
 

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The travel policy at my previous workplace (civil service) was that any delay repay due for corporate travel should be paid back to the department travel budget.
In practice it was accepted that delays for a journey returning home then we could keep any delay payment. But if delayed in work time e.g. on the outward trip then the employer claimed it. All tickets had to be booked via the corporate travel agent anyway so they received any automated payments.
 

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... where there employer has lost working hours as a consequence.

I'd say it works both ways.

Outbound train delayed. Employee gets to employer's London office at 10:30 for training seminar that started at 10.

Return train delayed. Employee gets home at 6:45pm instead of 5:45pm and isn't paid overtime for arriving home after their normal work finish time.
 

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The travel policy at my previous workplace (civil service) was that any delay repay due for corporate travel should be paid back to the department travel budget.
In practice it was accepted that delays for a journey returning home then we could keep any delay payment. But if delayed in work time e.g. on the outward trip then the employer claimed it. All tickets had to be booked via the corporate travel agent anyway so they received any automated payments.
I have claimed it but the few delays I've had were always in the evenings, or travelling on a long journey when I was working on my own time already by the time the clock hit 5pm. They get enough of my time they don't pay for!

I'm not sure I'd bother spending any of my time, paid by them or not, claiming Delay Repay just to hand it back to them.
 

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I've had the double bonus in the past of a 100% delay repay compensation on a ticket that cost my employer £200+ (it was a delay of a few hours hence the full compensation amount), plus as I was away for work I was able to claim the time on the flexi clock. Employer didn't ask about delay repay (not sure they even knew it was a thing).

Needless to say I volunteered for that work trip again!!
 

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I've had the double bonus in the past of a 100% delay repay compensation on a ticket that cost my employer £200+ (it was a delay of a few hours hence the full compensation amount), plus as I was away for work I was able to claim the time on the flexi clock. Employer didn't ask about delay repay (not sure they even knew it was a thing).

Needless to say I volunteered for that work trip again!!

Personally I'd see that as unethical as you're being effectively paid twice for your time, but each to their own.
 

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Our business flight from London to Scotland was overbooked

I always wonder why so many people say they fly / take the train to 'Scotland' rather than a specific city or region?

I don't fly from Aberdeen to 'England' - I fly to Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester...
 

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I think you've misunderstood my wording here: is said where the employer has lost working hours, i.e. turning up late for work because of transport delays might be tolerated, but still considered to be an employee shortfall by some ubnless the employee is travelling to somewhere other than their 'normal workplace'.
My employer gets enough extra time out of me that any lost time due to delays is a rounding error. As for Delay Repay or EU261, I’ve always retained these and it’s entirely accepted practice. That suited me well on a long haul flight…
 

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I always wonder why so many people say they fly / take the train to 'Scotland' rather than a specific city or region?

I don't fly from Aberdeen to 'England' - I fly to Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester...

Interesting point. I think I would talk of flying to France or Switzerland. Is it perhaps that Scotland feels maybe a bit exotic (not in the sense of hot! :) ) and foreign from England, whereas it isn't really the case vice versa?
 

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I always wonder why so many people say they fly / take the train to 'Scotland' rather than a specific city or region?

Too much is being read into my vagueness of the Scottish city in post #14.
The actual reason was that it was over 35 years ago, and I simply couldn't remember which city* it was (my employer had premises all over Scotland).
Ditto for the starting "London" Airport. I've used all of them (except Stansted) on business.
*Racking my brains, and recalling the colleague's skillset, it was probably a trip to Beech Grove Gardens/Terrace. So Aberdeen.
 

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About 7 years or so ago, I had a customer funded trip to Leeds.
VTEC provided, and the train ground to a halt with a loud thumping noise iirc somewhere around Welwyn, eventually canceled c2 hours late after a final 15 min or so trek at 15mph wheels thumping away at the back.

Fortunately we planned our day well, but instead of lunchtime planning in Leeds, it was planning on the train and straight to work in Leeds.

Expenses went in.
Delay repay went in.
Customer paid expenses.
VTEC refused delay repay due to “extreme weather”.

I promptly asked on another forum about that train, recieved a detailed reply indicating it was the hand brake left on in the dvt and the train was stopped by reports of heavy sparks from the wheels. The dvt required an after hours move with wheel skates back to BN.

I sent a reply, indicating the above, uploaded my video of the DVT banging away prior to its failure and asked for further comment.

I recieved a full refund, apology and another travel voucher.

I mentioned this to the customer, who simply asked for the video as they found it amusing and had no cares about the expenses.

You can hear the “bad weather” here still..

 
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