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ivanhoe

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I live in Loughborough and I wouldn't touch the buses, save for the overnight service. I live 5 minutes from the station, so can get to the centre of Leicester 2-5 quicker times than by car (in 14 minutes from the house). Derby, Nottingham and other places are well served.
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Most people live west of the A6 in Loughborough. Even the town centre is an average walk of nearly 15 minutes although it can be done in ten by fast walking.Allow 15 minutes walk plus time to buy the ticket and then go over the bridge to Platform 2 and 3 and all of a sudden we now have 20 minutes to add to the journey time by train. If you are going to the Leicester town centre then add another 10 minutes walk. If you catch the Ivanhoe, then the journey time is 20 minutes. I think you get my drift about journey times. The train is faster but it depends from where you start and where you finish. The Bus takes about an hour from Centre to centre.

Im interested in why you would not touch the buses in Loughborough ?
Are they too dirty for you ? Are the passengers not of your liking ? I think they are pretty good(allowing for post de regulation issues), but I also use a car as well, so I can see all sides of the arguement.
 
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I just don't espcially enjoy bus journeys. The seats are low and tend to be cramped, the journey tends to be slow and stop/start. It's too rough to read, it's hard to get off with shopping. Information tends to be poor. You have the feeling that you are low class as everyone else speeds by in their car. Sometimes buses just don't turn up and you are left standing.

I find the train a whole lot more civilised, in first class probably THE most civilised form of travel. The information on the whole is better, there is usually staff or someone to ask if there are problems and lot of info online. There are shops in stations, the whole process these days of tickets is easy, they tend to be fast, it's a different experience compared to being on the road, you tend to get much better views and so on.

I like driving cars and train travel, followed by canals and planes, with coaches and buses somewhere near the bottom - personally.

The downside of car travel is it's expensive and can be frustrating in traffic, the upside is it's convenient (at least outside cities). With trains I enjoy reading and watching the countryside roll by, or talk to freinds. They are a good way to travel. I get on trains because I want to, I get on buses because I have to.

I will take buses if there is no rail service, but if the railways closed down tomorrow I'd buy a car and wouldn't touch public transport at all, bar the occasional long plane journey when I have to.

A lot is down to personal preference I think, you are right about cars being status objects, and I think buses and coaches will always suffer as the 'poor man's way to travel'. People love cars, then trains and planes as they are 'different'. But the humble bus has a real image problem I think, coupled with the fact they are quite slow.

I think wifi and leather seats are wasted on buses, as are busways. I think the bus industry should concentrate on it's core market which is low income groups that don't have cars, price is the most important and not speed. Forget busways, they don't have any speed advantage, get the fares cheap and integrate with trams and train, even planes. Because it's a combination of all the above that is an alternative to the car.
 

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it's hard to get off with shopping

Really?

Given that the vast majority of UK buses are low floor, and there are still a lot of trains with narrow doors and significant "steps", its probably easier to get off an average bus with shopping than an average train
 

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I live in East Kilbride and to get into Glasgow i have 2 options . I can walk 15 mins to the Queensway and get a 66 which runs every 10 mins or i can walk 5 mins for the 31 which runs every 30 mins max, tho waitin on Stewartfield Way is unpleasant . Or i can walk 20 mins to East Kilbride Train Station and catch a 156 to Glasgow Central . 7 OUT 10 i get the 66 as its just as quick as train and more exciting , 156 and EK line is pretty boring compared to bus.I like how Lothian buses has a flat fare , great system the envy of Glasgow tho Glasgow has a great surburban rail network.
 

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Really?

Given that the vast majority of UK buses are low floor, and there are still a lot of trains with narrow doors and significant "steps", its probably easier to get off an average bus with shopping than an average train

It's the whole motion of the thing. Ever tried to get off a double decker, espcially with bags, coming into a bus stop down the stairs, especially when it's turning corners? It's a nightmare. Single deckers are not much better.
 

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The question is

Why would you go upstairs? You are making things difficult for yourself.

I could complain that if I went by train, and brought 15 full cases, it would be hard getting on :|
 

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To find a seat?

Anyway, just a personal preference, obviously others are going to have a different view.
 

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I think wifi and leather seats are wasted on buses, as are busways. I think the bus industry should concentrate on it's core market which is low income groups that don't have cars, price is the most important and not speed. Forget busways, they don't have any speed advantage, get the fares cheap and integrate with trams and train, even planes. Because it's a combination of all the above that is an alternative to the car.

Whilst I agree on short distance town services, I disagree strongly on long-distance bus and coach services. Sometimes on my journey I find I want comfort over speed - and this is where National Express, Stagecoach (the X5 in particular, although this also has a USP that there isn't a railway alternative except between Bedford and MK) etc come into play for me. My local route at uni has only had a decent train connection to London (the coaches used to equal them for speed and surpass them for comfort) in the last year, and even then if I know I want to have a productive journey I'll take the coach anyway, as I get WiFi and a more confortable seat - despite it now taking twice as long as the train.

I guess it all comes down to personal preference, but whilst I agree town services aren't great - I think long-distance coaches have an improving future ahead of them :)
 

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I tend to use buses for local journeys as they are quite frequent and i only have to cross the road to get them however my only problem i have with them is whenever you get a bunch of morons screaming, shouting also eating cheap tacky chicken and chips it sometimes puts me off using buses so therefore i much prefer to use the train as its more peaceful and the ride quality is better too. The money isn't a problem for me as i have a disabled freedom pass so therefore i can travel free on tube, buses, trams and trains.
 

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Whilst I agree on short distance town services, I disagree strongly on long-distance bus and coach services. Sometimes on my journey I find I want comfort over speed - and this is where National Express, Stagecoach (the X5 in particular, although this also has a USP that there isn't a railway alternative except between Bedford and MK) etc come into play for me. My local route at uni has only had a decent train connection to London (the coaches used to equal them for speed and surpass them for comfort) in the last year, and even then if I know I want to have a productive journey I'll take the coach anyway, as I get WiFi and a more confortable seat - despite it now taking twice as long as the train.

I guess it all comes down to personal preference, but whilst I agree town services aren't great - I think long-distance coaches have an improving future ahead of them :)

It is all down to personal preference, and how much one values comfort, speed, cost etc - and not just overall but priorities might change for individual journeys, depending on circumstances.
 

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Its a different Situation for me. As I live on the IOW, the train only goes down one side of the Island. Luckily that's where I live, and if you compare the two on return journeys the train wins every time:

Shanklin-Ryde Return By Train : £3.60, Journey Time: 20 mins Frequency: 2ph

Shanklin-Ryde Return By Bus: £9, Journey Time: 45 mins, Frequency 2ph


But if your a Regular Traveller:

90 Day Bus Pass ( All of IOW) : £198

3 Month Season Ryde-Shanklin: £175

So over here it really depends on how much you travel. My nearest bus stop is inside the station yard, so it doesn't make any difference to me!
 

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From my expierence, buses have been quieter than trains, yet all the buses take such a long route that I'm better off getting the train after all.
 

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In many areas the fact you have railcards on the train swing the price advantage to the train. I am sure someone will correct me but doesn't bus have advantage on Kilmarnock - Glasgow on price, frequency and speed and gets the larger number of passengers as a result. The coach also has wi-fi. I an strange give me the 156 anyday.
 

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In many areas the fact you have railcards on the train swing the price advantage to the train. I am sure someone will correct me but doesn't bus have advantage on Kilmarnock - Glasgow on price, frequency and speed and gets the larger number of passengers as a result. The coach also has wi-fi. I an strange give me the 156 anyday.

Well the Train between Killie and Glasgow is every half hour now so thats a big improvement but i think the coach stops off in different parts of Killie .
 

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If you think customer service on the railways is bad, then travel on an Airline where they'll most likely tell you to get lost, or travel by bus where they'll tell you to... er... actually they'll probably not tell you anything as chances are there are no staff to speak to!
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At least if you're stood on a station you have some idea if the train is going to turn up or not, and you have safeguards in the fact you're going to get support and possible compensation if things go wrong.
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I think a bus passenger would love the facilities provided at even a rural halt!

Everything is very area dependant. In West Cumbria, many stations are unmanned. When the train ends up running 45 minutes late, or even cancelled, which happens extremely frequently, people on those stations will not know that their train will not be turning up. Compared to the Stagecoach Bus service however, if there is a major delay, or even cancellation to a service, one of the inspectors will go to the main stopping points on the route to inform passengers. Maryport station (one of the main stations on the Cumbrian Coastline) is just 1 platform, with a big bus shelter on it, 2 broken metal benches, and a broken payphone. There is evidence of a tannoy loudspeaker being on the station, but this has been missing for many many years now. Wigton station is similar, however there is 2 platforms there, with a bus shelter type thing on each side. There is a tannoy system in place on the station, but there isn't an announcer.

In West Cumbria, the bus is always a far more attractive option to the train. Bus service 300 (Whitehaven - Carlisle) follows most of the Cumbrian Coastline. It is an hourly service (every 2 hours in evenings), so you have a regular working, unlike the trains, when timings are seemingly rather random.
The buses are often all timetabled to leave Carlisle at 10 minutes past the hour, whereas the trains are 1150, 1247, 1420, 1512, 1631, 1727, 1813 (just a small selection).

As for fares, a day return Workington - Carlisle is £8.20, bus is £8.55. A 7 day North West Megarider Plus on Stagecoach is £24 (unlimited travel on Stagecoach in Cumbria, Stagecoach in Lancaster, Stagecoach in Lancashire, plus service 79/179 to Dumfries/Annan, Stagecoach journeys on 685 to Newcastle, service X2 to Liverpool, and service X61 to Manchester). The day rider version costs £9.75. A 7 day ticket on the railways, for unlimited travel between Workington and Carlisle only, costs £32.80. The Cumbria Day Ranger ticket on the railways is £36!

The only trains we get on the line are 142, 153 and 156. None are really shopping friendly, especially when faced with a large step down to the platform. Most of the buses in the area on main public services are low floor with kneeling facility, so passengers don't have a large gap to step down (or up), which is something old people often struggle with (some passengers get a bus to and from a station that doesn't have such a large gap down). Often find the trains very full (especially when a 153 is the main allocation for a peak time slot!!!!!), resulting in many people standing, squashed up like a tin of sardines. The buses are generally much less cluttered, and you can, 99% of the time, get a seat.

I also find that trouble from youths is less of a problem on the buses as well. A large number of the buses have CCTV equipment in use. The trains don't. Conductors on the trains often ignore anything occurring on the trains, and sit in their cabs. I've saw fights, sex, smoking, and kids running up and down aisles on the trains, yet never came across any of it on the buses.
 

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If the train's cancelled and there's no information at your station, chances are you'll be able to find out online, assuming it's not one of those bad weather situations with lastminute cancellations.

Regarding crime, go to Birmingham then! In my time there I only went on one bus journey where there was no crime taking place, and I'm not exaggerating. Of course crime does also take place on trains (in particular unsavoury areas under DOO) but in my experience it tends to be a safer travelling environment!
 

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Crime is one of those things that is very hard to quantify - I'm sure there will be figures of crimes on buses and on trains in different areas and that they'll vary quite considerably. Plus then of course there is the perception of what a crime really is (and anti-social behaviour) as well. IMO buses are just as safe as trains crime-wise in this area.
 

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I find in Glasgow the buses carry quite a bit more unsavoury people .Never had a problem on SPT lines
 

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Regarding crime, go to Birmingham then! In my time there I only went on one bus journey where there was no crime taking place, and I'm not exaggerating. Of course crime does also take place on trains (in particular unsavoury areas under DOO) but in my experience it tends to be a safer travelling environment!


Pretty much sums up bus travel round here, even still i take the bus more than the train as the train dosent usually take me near to where i need to go.
 

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Well Buses vs Trains, it is a case of "horses for courses". Well from where I live to the centre of Bolton, is about 2 miles, and the local bus, depending on the operator, is anything from £1.80 to £2.20, plus the road in is very busy. So I save my money and I walk in to my work, which is in the Town Centre Area.

When I have need to travel into Manchester, I pay £3.30 day return, it takes 16 minute to ito Manchester Deansgate, 20 minites for Piccadilly, but I am usually then a 5 minute walk from where I need to be. If I catch the buses, the fair is comparable but dearer, about £4.90 day saver. But it takes about 45 minutes, if the traffic lights are in your favour, plus I would need to walk further to my destination if I went by bus. So for local trips train is faster, IF THERE IS A TRAIN SERVICE, just try getting to Leigh from Bolton, bus or car are the only options.

Even when I travel to London, I use the train, yes it might be a bit dearer, but Virgin, has trains every 20 minutes from Manchester, it takes about 3 hours, and then tube to my destination. Car is out, although even with the high petrol costs involved, it is cheaper before you factor in car parking in central London, plus the Congestion charge. Plus the hassle of driving all that way and back in a day. Trains beat buses hands down.

But thanks to Beeching, they are places if you dont have a car you need to get to and buses are the only real option, so they have there purpose. What is needed is that this country scraps the EUSSR directives about 'competition' and brings in a Swiss style system in which they all work together and have a decent, well planned through ticketing system.

Dont hold your breath.
 

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On my daily commute to college I can use either a Stagecoach bus or walk 20-25 mins walk to a station and then catch the train from there. There is also the option of catching a local bus to the station then getting the train from there.

The quickest option is the direct bus, but I have come to loath catching the damn thing. It is about a 25 mins ride or longer in traffic. I have a monthly pass for the bus, which although slightly cheaper than a train season ticket, doesn't represent good value for money.

Here's why:
-There is one bus every 30 mins (less in the morning peak with a gap of 45mins between buses :roll:) and it rarely runs on time (it's usually 5-15 mins late or even early by 5-10 mins :roll:). I have had buses not turn up quite a few times over the past year.
-Some of the Stagecoach bus drivers are often surly, there are some really friendly ones but most often they are not pleasant. This is the complete opposite to train conductors who seem pleasant most of the time.
-The monthly pass is dear and the single fares are very expensive (£4.10 a single, Lothian Buses it certainly is not!!). A day ticket is cheaper at £3.50 but the drivers don't issue that if you don't ask for it. The drivers don't often have even small amounts of change on them either.
-The buses range from modern minibuses (that are too small and cramped for the amount of passengers) to old double deckers that rattle and shake. They often put the small buses on peak runs which is not ideal at all!
-The majority of people using the bus are pensioners in the afternoon who travel for nothing with their free pass. Now I have nothing against them doing this but some of them appear to be making many unnecessary trips which makes the bus overly busy and seems to be pushing up fares!
 
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