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Flange Squeal

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74-year old operator Alexcars of Cirencester is the latest casualty, announcing on their Facebook page today that they have entered administration.

It gives great sadness to announce that the directors of Alexcars Ltd have taken the extremely difficult decision to hang the keys up and cease trading. A number of factors in a short timeframe have impacted the business, not least Covid-19 which has brought a total loss of revenue in what should be the busiest time of year. Alexcars has been proud to serve the people of Cirencester and surrounding areas since 1946 and we are extremely grateful to our customers and fantastic staff and for their loyalty over these years. During these difficult and challenging times, please stay safe, look after each other, and support your local businesses wherever you can. If you have a booking or for any other business enquiries please refer to the appointed administrators Hazelwoods - further details will be found on our website.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/AlexcarsCirencester/
 
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Rear door boarding on all routes is the answer, with all seating forward of the stairs blocked off. Nobody can come anywhere near the driver then. It's astonishing London has taken so long to even try it - the Dutch started doing it months ago even before any lockdowns.
As London buses (other than the Borismaster) only have an Oyster reader by the driver, doing that would effectively mean no revenue checks at all

It may be decided that it's a loss in revenue worth accepting, but I can understand TfL not wanting to automatically do it.
 
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I don't think it's really a legal thing that stops companies allowing free travel, many late buses at a weekend have many people traveling for free, certainly where I used to drive.
I think it's trying to keep what little bit of revenue they still have a chance of getting.
 

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A thought I had while out for my legally-permitted exercise yesterday - how about city operators switching to flat fare so there is less conversation with the driver, just a TfL-style touch in? Does Ticketer support just charging any payment card placed on the reader a flat fare and showing a green light?
 

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There is a story on the Route One website analysing the number of coaches which have been 'SORN' in recent weeks. 13 fleets were looked at, and of the 310 vehicles, 56.1% were now off the road - including a '20' reg plate vehicle that had only been in use for a month. The full story is at https://www.route-one.net/news/coach-industry-sorn-impact-figures-analysed/

Analysis of SORN declarations for a random selection of coach fleets has given an insight into the extent to which the industry has been brought to a halt by the coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic.

It also gives a rudimentary indication that some operators are approaching the decision whether to sideline vehicles in a different way to others. routeone examined the status of 13 anonymised coach fleets in England, Scotland and Wales. The results showed a great deal of difference in what vehicles are still available for use.

I know my two local bus operators are in the same situation, with a large number of vehicles having been SORNed in the past few weeks.
 

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Cardiff Bus put people at risk for several weeks by failing to use coronavirus-killing disinfectants, a drivers' union has claimed.

The council-owned firm switched to a product proven to kill coronavirus on 9 April, having previously used another it believed was suitable.

Unite claims that it had not followed guidelines for a month.

Cardiff Bus said the health risk was "limited" and it would continue to review its cleaning processes.

The UK government published guidelines in March which recommend organisations in non-medical settings use disinfectant that is "effective against enveloped viruses".

Unite's regional organiser Alan McCarthy said a Cardiff Bus employee raised concerns about the disinfectant being used on buses in the city last week.

He said Cardiff Bus, which brought in enhanced bus-cleaning measures on 11 March, told staff on Tuesday it had switched to an "enhanced" disinfectant.

"It is crucial that Cardiff Bus now fully reassures the general public that its cleaning regime is of the required standard," Mr McCarthy said.

"It also needs to fully address the internal failings that have clearly played out here."

Cardiff Bus said in a statement it had reviewed its cleaning process after the outbreak of coronavirus.

"The decision was made at that time to continue with the use of the current sanitizer-disinfectant, but at the same time, increase the frequency of cleaning.

"It was believed at that time, that the product was suitable and contained ingredients that were active against enveloped viruses."

Cardiff council said it passed on advice that bleach-based products are recommended
Cardiff Bus said it continued to use the product "until it was highlighted that there was a more effective coronavirus-killing product available on the market.

"As soon as the managing director was made aware that there was a confirmed coronavirus-killing disinfectant available, it was immediately sourced, replacing the current product and all operational buses were deep cleaned," they added.

Cardiff Bus said the council's environmental health department had confirmed the overall health risk was "limited" for the weeks prior to 9 April.

This, it said, was due to the increased physical cleaning, drivers following good hygiene practices and the limited number of passengers who had travelling on the buses.

Additional personal protective equipment which had been made available to drivers would also have reduced any risk.

"The company will continue to review and improve cleaning processes in line with government guidelines," the firm said.

Jean-Yves Maillard, professor of pharmaceutical microbiology at Cardiff University, also believes that the risk to the public would be low, explaining that an "enveloped virus" like the coronavirus has an outer shell that is "extremely fragile".

However, Unite said it was not acceptable that such a large bus company had not been complying with the guidelines on anti-viral disinfectant for almost a month.

It said it had been told by its members that other major bus companies in Wales had been complying "for some time".
 

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It doesn't matter what type of disinfectant you use to clean buses as the cleaning is carried out in the depot after operations end. As soon as that bus leaves the depot in the morning and picks up the first passenger who will no doubt touch the grab poles etc then straight away that bus could quite easily be contaminated and throughout the day hundreds of passengers will be getting on and off that very same vehicle thus contaminating it even further.
 

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It doesn't matter what type of disinfectant you use to clean buses as the cleaning is carried out in the depot after operations end. As soon as that bus leaves the depot in the morning and picks up the first passenger who will no doubt touch the grab poles etc then straight away that bus could quite easily be contaminated and throughout the day hundreds of passengers will be getting on and off that very same vehicle thus contaminating it even further.

I thought the virus could live on metal or plastic for hours or days? Surely it's better to at least start the day with a virus-free bus?
 

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TfL are only using middle doors from Monday and it’ll be free travel
I wonder if this might have the unwanted effect of increasing the number of people (unnecessarily) using the buses?
 

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Another operator ceasing trading - Nova Tours of Chesterfield.

It is with deep regret that we must inform you Nova Tours has ceased trading.

Nova Tours was covered by TRIP meaning every passenger will receive a full refund. We will be in touch with every single person that has booked with Nova Tours and we will inform you on how to make a claim if we issued you a gift voucher in March rest assured these are covered under the policy. We would like to say that we know we got a few things wrong in March when the travel ban was first announced we could never have imagined what was about to unfold had we have known we would have acted differently.

When Covid-19 landed in UK we were inundated with panic cancellations for the whole year. We estimate we lost around 40% of our bookings for the year in front in the first few weeks of that first case being diagnosed. Then we had to contend with the travel ban we completely understand why it had to be done none the less it had a catastrophic effect on our business as we have had to issue huge amounts of refunds and gift vouchers. The final nail being we were down 100% on new bookings with no revenue coming in and being faced with an unprecedented amount of refunds to process and not knowing how long this would last the reality is we are a small business and in the end we could not survive Covid -19.

The cruel part being we had hugely invested in Nova Tours future and we were set for such a fantastic year.

I would like to thank all the hoteliers who did their upmost to help us in those early days when they themselves were suffering your kindness and understanding makes us all so proud of this amazing industry.

I hope you remember your holidays with Nova Tours and the joy and happiness they brought you.

I wish everyone in this industry all the luck in the world.

Kindest Regards

David Sheriff

Source: https://www.novatours.co.uk/
 

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TfL are only using middle doors from Monday and it’ll be free travel

Yes, got my email from TFL this afternoon, it says "There is currently no need to touch in", which doesn't make it clear as to whether you can travel for free from next Monday or whether you can board without paying now. If I'd received and read the email earlier in the day I could have tried coming home from work at lunchtime for free.

Since restrictions began my bus travel has, of course, been restricted to going to and/or from work, but today was my last shift as I'm now on holiday for a week (which was booked ages ago before all this started) and I can walk to and from the shops so I probably won't be using any buses until at least April 26th in any case.
 

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Are the touch-in pads at the rear doors of the Borismasters wirelessly connected to the ticket machine? If so could they be moved to the centre doors of other types of bus to allow touching in to restart? Are there spares?
 

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Truemans is the latest coach operator to go into administration. Established for nearly 70 years, they ran a large day trip and holiday programme, as well as the usual private hire and school type work.

 

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Are the touch-in pads at the rear doors of the Borismasters wirelessly connected to the ticket machine? If so could they be moved to the centre doors of other types of bus to allow touching in to restart? Are there spares?
They still have them on the centre doors too, but I *think* some routes still allow entry/exit via middle or rear exit. I'm guessing they are hard wired via the poles, plus I doubt they would not be enough of them to go around, plus the cost of fitting them etc..
 

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Are they issuing a credit ticket instead? This used to happen pre-Covid 19 with First Buses if they had no change, not sure about Arriva NE.

Nope.

Arriva drivers will not be able to provide change to customers and any over payment of fares will be donated to the NHS COVID-19 Appeal, which is supporting NHS staff and volunteers. Cash will only be accepted as a form of payment in exceptional circumstances and where the correct fare can be paid.
 

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Go North East move to exact fare from Monday.
Excess monies are going to local charities
 

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A mate of mine who works for Nexus in Newcastle reports bus spotters still traveling and more obvious due to the low number of passengers.
Does anyone report them? The news of just one getting an FPN would quickly get round that community wouldn’t it?
 

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Does anyone report them? The news of just one getting an FPN would quickly get round that community wouldn’t it?

Go North East's MD does his Team updates live on Facebook and they are available for the public (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000099209239110)

Judging by that they are monitoring tickets and reporting where appropriate. He himself does talks on Enthusiast Pages encouraging them not to travel.

It does seem the attraction is the amount of 'rare' workings and branded buses off their route as a result of reduced working and depot closures.
 
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Not being reported as far as I am aware, in any case they could just claim to be going shopping. Drivers do know who the bus spotters are, they stand out even during normal times.
 

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Going to be very difficult for them, as a very large chunk of their primary market is going to be shielding.

I'd normally be opposed to it, but I wonder if the Chancellor should consider introducing a UK version of Chapter 11 at least temporarily? That could give companies more chance to reorganise and survive. You can sort of achieve that with a pre-pack administration, but that's much more of a sledgehammer and of questionable morality.
 

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Going to be very difficult for them, as a very large chunk of their primary market is going to be shielding.

I'd normally be opposed to it, but I wonder if the Chancellor should consider introducing a UK version of Chapter 11 at least temporarily? That could give companies more chance to reorganise and survive. You can sort of achieve that with a pre-pack administration, but that's much more of a sledgehammer and of questionable morality.

I'd forgotten Shearings owned National Holidays. The effect of them going under would be massive on some value hotels and already put under resorts like Blackpool.
 

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I seem to recall reading that the Shearings Group which includes National Holidays and Caledonian Travel carry over 800,000 passengers per annum on coach holidays with the majority to UK destinations. They also own close to 50 hotels throughout the UK

The impact would be huge on UK seaside and inland holiday resorts especially as many of these hotels are filled during the winter months. This not only provides continuous employment for coach drivers and hotel staff but also supports local coffee shops and independent businesses in these towns and villages.

Be a great shame if a profitable tour operating business (unlike Thomas Cook) is wiped out through no fault of its own.
 

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Be a great shame if a profitable tour operating business (unlike Thomas Cook) is wiped out through no fault of its own.

I do agree, though it might not be that hard to start a new version of something like that once the main customer base can come out of hiding. If anything demand might be higher if international travel is a bit awkward.
 

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I do agree, though it might not be that hard to start a new version of something like that once the main customer base can come out of hiding. If anything demand might be higher if international travel is a bit awkward.
I concur that domestic holidays may well pick up in 2021, but probably too late to save many coach holiday and other UK related leisure/tourism businesses.

The start up and legislatory costs would probably prevent many from entering the coach holiday industry in any great volume. Following on from this pandemic would banks lend the money in what now lenders may consider a risky industry? A brand new touring coach with WiFi and other mod cons now costs around £250k.
 
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