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Those are the BYD version though, which will effectively be replaced by presumably a much better "in house" E400EV.Stagecoach Bluebird have already had to completely replace the motors on quite a number of their Enviro400EVs a number of which were under 6 months old at the time. Albeit this is also likely in part down to the types of routes they use them on...
The Enviro400EVs are limited to 42mph to prevent "over speeding", however on long downhill sections of road due to their weight they're able to get significantly above this speed. One place of note is Tyrebagger on the A96 where on the downhill sections its quite common for them up to 60MPH, so it perhaps isn't a surprise that the motors are failing quite frequently. The most recent example being 84068 which has been off since the 14th of October after it failed on the A96 near Thainstone.
Are there not any long downhill highway runs in China?Those are the BYD version though, which will effectively be replaced by presumably a much better "in house" E400EV.
Indeed? The discussion had been regarding the existing BYD/ADL EVs.Those are the BYD version though, which will effectively be replaced by presumably a much better "in house" E400EV.
And the BYD chassis will still be offered by ADL as an alternative, just as it offered Scania as an alternative to its diesel E400.Indeed? The discussion had been regarding the existing BYD/ADL EVs.
The full type has been revealed (all previews have been art of what it would look like)Looks like the first Enviro400EV integral has left the factory - teaser linked below:
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Apparently it visited RATP's Fulwell garage today (see Tangytango Proboards).
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To my eyes the demonstrators look to be 12m length buses. Would that be correct?The full type has been revealed (all previews have been art of what it would look like)
11.1m with the same wheelbase, 5.9m, as the 10.9m BYD E400EV.To my eyes the demonstrators look to be 12m length buses. Would that be correct?
Alexander Dennis, a subsidiary of NFI Group Inc., one of the world’s leading independent global bus manufacturers, today launched its next generation of battery-electric buses for the UK and Ireland with the unveiling of the new Enviro100EV small bus and Enviro400EV double decker. They provide a step change in performance and are part of a wider family of next-generation zero-emission buses.
The new buses have been engineered fully in house as zero-emission vehicles from the ground up. They introduce a stunning new design language that emphasises their zero-emission credentials and allows local authorities and bus operators to make a landmark statement of their investment in a cleaner fleet.
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The 11.1m-length Enviro400EV double decker is designed to shift the crowds on busy urban and interurban routes, advancing electrification options for core services across the UK and Ireland with a range of up to 260 miles.
The Enviro100EV is a highly manoeuvrable small bus just 8.5m long and 2.35m wide, while feeling like a larger vehicle and covering up to class-leading 285 miles on a single charge.
So thats what the Enviro 100 EV looks like physically! Can’t wait to see it go on trial somewhere in the country![]()
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Alexander Dennis, a subsidiary of NFI Group Inc., one of the world’s leading independent global bus manufacturers, today launched its next generation of battery-electric buses for the UK and Ireland with the unveiling of the new Enviro100EV small bus and Enviro400EV double decker. They provide a...www.alexander-dennis.com
the original Enviro 200 was the short version, with the Enviro 300 being the longer version, and now it's got to the 200 being the longer, and the 100 being the shorter version. Unless they make a 300EV, but I doubt that.So thats what the Enviro 100 EV looks like physically! Can’t wait to see it go on trial somewhere in the country
The E100EV is smaller than the majority of E200s or even Dart SLFs, leaving the BYD E200EV as their "mainstream" single decker for a couple years yet...the original Enviro 200 was the short version, with the Enviro 300 being the longer version, and now it's got to the 200 being the longer, and the 100 being the shorter version. Unless they make a 300EV, but I doubt that.
Yes, the E100EV is firmly in the category of the smallest E200 diesel for which there is no BYD equivalent. Operators wanting that size currently have no option but to go to Optare.The E100EV is smaller than the majority of E200s or even Dart SLFs, leaving the BYD E200EV as their "mainstream" single decker for a couple years yet...
The 300 came first.the original Enviro 200 was the short version, with the Enviro 300 being the longer version, and now it's got to the 200 being the longer, and the 100 being the shorter version. Unless they make a 300EV, but I doubt that.
There is also the width, the 100EV is a slim bus at only 2.35m wide. Clearly designed for rural work or in towns and cities with narrow or medieval streetsthe original Enviro 200 was the short version, with the Enviro 300 being the longer version, and now it's got to the 200 being the longer, and the 100 being the shorter version. Unless they make a 300EV, but I doubt that.
The first London BYD E200EVs delivered seven years ago were 12m.There is also the width, the 100EV is a slim bus at only 2.35m wide. Clearly designed for rural work or in towns and cities with narrow or medieval streets
According to ADL spec sheets on their website the BYD E200EV is available in 5 lengths, longest is 12.0m so looks to have taken over from old E300
The BYD chassis of the 200EV may be heavyweight but its theoretical range certainly isn’t comparing it to the “upto” 260miles ADL had quoted for there latest 400EV, let alone other single decker EVs.The first London BYD E200EVs delivered seven years ago were 12m.
The BYD chassis is heavyweight anyway so no need for an "E300" version.
The weight of a chassis has never correlated with its range between fueling so I'm not sure what your point is.The BYD chassis of the 200EV may be heavyweight but its theoretical range certainly isn’t comparing it to the “upto” 260miles ADL had quoted for there latest 400EV, let alone other single decker EVs.
You're right; I wasn’t clear on what I was trying to get across. I understand that a heavier bus doesn’t guarantee better range.The weight of a chassis has never correlated with its range between fueling so I'm not sure what your point is.
My point, if it wasn't clear before, is that there would never be a BYD version of the medium weight E300 because the BYD chassis is already heavyweight and available with ADL bodywork in lengths between 9.8 and 12m.
Your comparison is with with a completely different bus.
BYD did reveal new batteries at Busworld Brussels, for their new double deck (DD13) and European city bus (B12) models, claiming a range of 600km. It is possible that chassis for the UK may benefit from this technology at some point.The E200BYD is a bit a of a weak link for ADL at the moment. I'm surprised BYD haven't updated the batteries to keep it competitive.
Agreed. And it's now showing in London for example where only GoAhead are still ordering BYDs.Let me put it this way. The 200BYD isn’t a competitive product, irregardless of its weight; its electrical range isn’t great compared to the competition within the same GVW category of 19.5t.
What's also impressive are the claims by AD that both new models should achieve a full 14-year London life cycle without a battery change and a 20 year life with just one battery change. If true this potentially changes the economics of battery EVs with whole life costs being clearly cheaper than diesel.I was merely using ADLs latest 400EV as another heavyweight vehicle with significantly better range for comparison purposes, even when fitted with its smallest battery pack it beats its smaller sibling for range.
Australian bus builder Custom Denning is targeting the UK market, and a demonstration electric bus is currently being shipped to the UK.
Custom Denning, one of Australia’s oldest bus builders, is now owned by Scott Dunn, who began his career in the UK bus industry before moving to Australia in 2014. The company has designed and built a full-size, fully-electric single deck bus, which it plans to export to the UK.
The vehicle was on display at last month’s Australian British Infrastructure Catalyst, which took place in Australia. There Dunn spoke with Leon Daniels, the former boss of surface transport for Transport for London, for the Lunch with Leon podcast, which is produced in association with Passenger Transport.
Built in Western Sydney, Dunn said the 12-metre bus was fully stainless steel with European components and the build quality of an Australian product, where vehicles must be built for a 25-year minimum life.
Custom Denning already competes with Chinese imports, BYD and Yutong, so Dunn is confident that it can compete with Chinese products into the UK. One demonstrator vehicle is already en route to the UK, and is due to arrive in mid-January. Three more will arrive in mid-February.
Expect Rotala to be all over these, given Scott Dunn is in charge...Another manufacturer is looking for a slice of the UK pie. It'll be interesting to see how these demonstrators fare, and whether or not they'll pick up any orders.
Australian-built electric bus heading to UK
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It's funny how things go around. I'd never heard of the Denning part of Custom Denning until I looked it up online - it turns out that it has its roots in Leyland.Expect Rotala to be all over these, given Scott Dunn is in charge...
Expect Rotala to be all over these, given Scott Dunn is in charge...
Rotala have on order 3 x Custom Denning 10.2m single decker electric buses from Australia, they have been ordered for the Bedfont Lakes contract & will be allocated to Stanwell Depot. They should be 24 seaters & will be numbered 39001-3 (due Feb 2024 onwards)
Are these the first ever Australian made buses/coaches in the UK?Another manufacturer is looking for a slice of the UK pie. It'll be interesting to see how these demonstrators fare, and whether or not they'll pick up any orders.
Australian-built electric bus heading to UK
www.passengertransport.co.uk
Ensign have some Australian buses https://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/ensign-receive-10-8m-bcis/Are these the first ever Australian made buses/coaches in the UK?
Ensign receive 10.8m BCIs
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Ensignbus has taken delivery of the first 10.8m BCI double deckers to enter the UK. They are, at the time of writing, waiting to be certified. It has received ten for its own operations, one for an existing order and another demonstrator. The operator/dealer is the supplier of these Australian buses. According to Ensignbus Operations Director, Ross Newman, orders for the longer tri-axle version are doing well, with ten on order currently. ‘We’re very pleased with it,’ Ross said.