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fairysdad

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Yet another question from me I'm afraid, sorry about this!

I was behind a bus yesterday and found myself musing about its LED display. As I approached the back of it, I realised that the closer I got to it, the less readable the display was - not to the extent of being unable to read it.

Something that has annoyed me with these displays for ages is that the baseline of characters is at the bottom of the display, but it means that letters with descenders are pushed up - when you only have about 5 LEDs high for the letters, there's a not a lot of choice!

Something that I ended up thinking specifically about was whether the resolution of the displays could be increased, then the displays could be more readable and possibly show more on them.

I remember being surprised at first that the New Bus for London had traditional blinds rather than screens, but realised that TfL specified this (as for all(?) their buses) for readability purposes and actually I guess that a 'paper' display would have the highest resolution of any screen!

However, there is also the flaw of having that re-rolled out across the country in that in London, buses are set for certain routes, so the number of destinations on the display are minimal whereas in the 'sticks', a bus can take on many different routes in an area (although you may get buses that stick to certain routes, such as P&R buses, and one of the uni buses near here had displays stuck to the outside of the bus as it was one bus used for a shuttle service between the halls and the campus).

Would LCD (or even 'e-paper') technology prove a better way of doing it? I realise that there is a 'but LEDs work fine' argument here, but would it be a suitable way around it? Having just typed all that, I realise that if it was, bus companies would be using it already... Ah well...
 
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Display technology is advancing all the time - it's not so many years since state of the art was those awful flip-dots (of which many were "flip not"). I think I even remember those being on "Tomorrow's World"! So it's quite possible that in a decade or so there will be something much better. I think Organic LED displays claim to have the resolution of LCD and the brightness per unit area of traditional LEDs.
 

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I must be odd because I actually find the LED displays easier to read than paper especially at dim or night conditions.

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Displays that emit light (like LEDs) are best in dim conditions. Those that primarily reflect light, like roller blinds, are often better in bright sunlight.
 

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So it's quite possible that in a decade or so there will be something much better. I think Organic LED displays claim to have the resolution of LCD and the brightness per unit area of traditional LEDs.

There's also multicolour LED displays, which Lothian are putting on their new hybrids, so they can replicate the coloured blinds the other buses use for special information (pink = part route, red = diverted, yellow = express and so on).
 
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Older LEDs seemed to fade very fast or were rather too directional (hence being harder to read close up) but more recent ones are probably better. Thus, replacements could in fact be the same technology.

Multicoloured systems were always popular in Japan, Hong Kong etc, but I've never seem any here.

What is annoying is new buses fitted with displays that don't fit the windows so edges (usually the bottom but sometimes even the sides) are cut off. This can make it hard to read destinations or even the number.

And one operator around here also likes to toggle between the route number/destination and promoting the sale of weekly tickets and following on Twitter etc. The route number is therefore not shown for 2 out of 3 'pages', which is a joke IMO.
 

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While I think the latest screens are a big improvement on those in the 90s, I still don't think they're clear enough.

I wonder, since plasma and LCD displays are so cheap these days, could a destination aperture-sized LCD screen be used? That would have a much higher resolution than even the latest displays.

I assume there's some problem with power consumption or visibility that prevents this.

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Would LCD be good enough from a distance, or at night?

A lot of the concerns mentioned upthread are down to poor programming.
 

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While I think the latest screens are a big improvement on those in the 90s, I still don't think they're clear enough.

I wonder, since plasma and LCD displays are so cheap these days, could a destination aperture-sized LCD screen be used? That would have a much higher resolution than even the latest displays.

I assume there's some problem with power consumption or visibility that prevents this.

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LCD and plasma are really bad in bright light. Just look at any smartphone.

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Here's a Burnley & Pendle bus before multi-coloured destination displays were used:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3027/2877281946_e37d9e12c2_z.jpg

And an identical bus after:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burnley_2764.jpg

Here and here are some examples of Lothian's multicolour LEDs. Unlike the B&P example, these aren't just using colours for the sake of it; rather the colours have meaning and are used to exactly mimic the colours of the rollerblinds on other buses.
 

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The Midland Mainline 170s had multicolour LEDs for the interior displays. They may still have as part of the CrossCounry fleet, but if they do they have been programmed to display only in orange.
 

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The Midland Mainline 170s had multicolour LEDs for the interior displays. They may still have as part of the CrossCounry fleet, but if they do they have been programmed to display only in orange.

The XC 170s do still have the red/green LEDs (you can tell if you look at them up close), but yes, they do only use the orange now. However Chiltern 168s still use multiple colours on theirs—usually orange for announcements and green for advertisements.

Newer Turbostar displays seem to be single colour only, such as 172s which are green for LM and orange for Chiltern.
 

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The XC 170s do still have the red/green LEDs (you can tell if you look at them up close), but yes, they do only use the orange now. However Chiltern 168s still use multiple colours on theirs—usually orange for announcements and green for advertisements.

Newer Turbostar displays seem to be single colour only, such as 172s which are green for LM and orange for Chiltern.

Have seen a XC turbostar display, display everything in red rather than orange recently, as well as a number of others where it looked as though there was 1 red bulb in the middle of a number orange ones. (had presumed the orange bulbs had died and Red LEDs were on offer when they needed replacing:|)
 

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Reading Buses have multi-coloured LED displays on most buses, with each route having its own colour which is shown in the route number displayed. Of course, it's usually a bit unnecessary as the entire bus is that colour...

Personally I find LED displays hard to read, though they are much better than they used to be. On (fast) country routes especially it can be hard to read until the bus is too close to stop, unless you hail first.
 
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