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Budapest to Belgrade (and Bar)

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iknowyeah

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I'm looking at planning a trip to Bar however struggling to work the connections out.

On MAV website I can find direct trains to Szeged then a connection to Subotica, however all I can find onwards from Subotica is a Serbian press release about new trains in December.

Is this train running in September or early October?

And I think the day train from Belgrade to Bar doesn't run in this period either?
 
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I'm looking at planning a trip to Bar however struggling to work the connections out.

On MAV website I can find direct trains to Szeged then a connection to Subotica, however all I can find onwards from Subotica is a Serbian press release about new trains in December.

Is this train running in September or early October?

And I think the day train from Belgrade to Bar doesn't run in this period either?
The day train from Belgrade to Bar isn't worth doing, as it operates with rancid commuter units with a change in the middle.

All you can do now is take the night train and hope it's late enough that you can enjoy some scenery.
 

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Thanks both, I'll look into this and work out an itinerary. Seems preferable to a ferry and bus from Dubrovnik
 

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Just by chance on the german equiv of this forum: DSO=drehscheibe-online.de, the Ausland section (foreign for them, of course its all in german) was the same question for going the other way this morning: there it was stated that the direct line NewSad to Subot is partly closed off for works (after all this is the main internat. route from Bgrad to Bpest which is under complete renovation) and these 2/day (seem to be the ex-Russky railcars) are rerouted via another indirect line (Indeed via Sombor as rg177 here above also tells)-and the existence of these connections was flatly denied (and no chance to even get a bilet for it) at Bgrad (the new station-looking like a minor halt, replacing the now torn down old central at the edge of the centre and beside the main busstation). So perhaps be prepared to be pointed to the much faster and direct buslink.
Bgrad-NewSad is since a year or 2 a prelude as its completely renovated and has a strict hourly service with electric sets and all reserved. There are several reports that just turning up may also turn out to be told ´all full´. No idea if this still holds.
Did it myself going TO Bpest in what was about the last year of the through overnite train on the direct route and from still the old station in Bgrad.
 

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Just by chance on the german equiv of this forum: DSO=drehscheibe-online.de, the Ausland section (foreign for them, of course its all in german) was the same question for going the other way this morning: there it was stated that the direct line NewSad to Subot is partly closed off for works (after all this is the main internat. route from Bgrad to Bpest which is under complete renovation) and these 2/day (seem to be the ex-Russky railcars) are rerouted via another indirect line (Indeed via Sombor as rg177 here above also tells
There is no rerouting. There just happen to be 2 daily train pairs on Novi Sad-Sombor-Subotica that continue to run.
 

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I've done this trip in April this year so I can share some of my observations here. I took an early evening train from Szeged to Subotica, stayed there overnight and continued on the 15:05 train from Subotica to Novi Sad (via Sombor). There I reserved a seat on one of the high speed Soko trains for the next day to get to Belgrade, which do the trip in just 36 minutes.

First of all there were major construction works going on in Subotica so some sort of emergency platform was in use which handles all the train traffic, situated a bit to the south of the station with the entrance being practically opposite the Lidl supermarket on the road called Pala Papa, it's not well marked. On the platform there is a small container functioning as the ticket office.

The Soko trains indeed have compulsory reservations, and they do sell out but they are very frequent. Usually there are still enough seats available up until about an hour before departure, after that I noticed the seats sell out pretty quickly. I remember being able to see how many seats were still available online, but I can't find that info anymore so they might have removed it. There are also relatively frequent regional trains from Novi Sad to Belgrade using FLIRT trains which take only about 20 minutes longer, don't have seat reservations and can't sell out.

Belgrade Centar station is thankfully now more than a "minor halt" with a pretty nice new station hall having now opened with much better amenities than what it used to have, such as a few kiosks (where I was able to buy a day ticket for the public transport in Belgrade), a tourist information counter, new ticket offices and an excellent and affordable restaurant, where I enjoyed a nice meal after arriving from Novi Sad and before taking the night train to Bar. The only drawback is that the station is still poorly connected to Belgrade itself by public transport with only a bus connection, tram connections are available at the Novi Beograd station where all trains coming from Novi Sad stop as well, which has also received a major overhaul and doesn't look as run down anymore as it used to. There also tram connections to the Karađorđev Park and Vukov Spomenik stations on the BG:VOZ (run-down kind of S-Bahn) network.

It's possible to do Szeged-Belgrade (or even Budapest-Belgrade) in a single day, taking the 08:58 train from Szeged to Subotica, arriving at 10:24, then leaving Subotica at 15:05 (yes, there is no better connection) arriving at Novi Sad at 18:41, then take one of the high speed Soko or regional trains to Belgrade with the last Soko train leaving at 21:30 and the last regional train at 23:50.

There is also a very early train from Subotica to Novi Sad at 05:22 in the morning, and from September 1 there is also an additional possibility of getting to Belgrade via Zrenjanin, taking the 07:06 train from Subotica to Zrenjanin arriving at 10:11, then taking the one and only train from Zrenjanin to Belgrade at 10:55 arriving into Belgrade Centar at 13:09. This train does not stop at Novi Beograd but it does stop at Vukov Spomenik and Karađorđev Park.
 

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I've done this trip in April this year so I can share some of my observations here. I took an early evening train from Szeged to Subotica, stayed there overnight and continued on the 15:05 train from Subotica to Novi Sad (via Sombor). There I reserved a seat on one of the high speed Soko trains for the next day to get to Belgrade, which do the trip in just 36 minutes.

First of all there were major construction works going on in Subotica so some sort of emergency platform was in use which handles all the train traffic, situated a bit to the south of the station with the entrance being practically opposite the Lidl supermarket on the road called Pala Papa, it's not well marked. On the platform there is a small container functioning as the ticket office.

The Soko trains indeed have compulsory reservations, and they do sell out but they are very frequent. Usually there are still enough seats available up until about an hour before departure, after that I noticed the seats sell out pretty quickly. I remember being able to see how many seats were still available online, but I can't find that info anymore so they might have removed it. There are also relatively frequent regional trains from Novi Sad to Belgrade using FLIRT trains which take only about 20 minutes longer, don't have seat reservations and can't sell out.

Belgrade Centar station is thankfully now more than a "minor halt" with a pretty nice new station hall having now opened with much better amenities than what it used to have, such as a few kiosks (where I was able to buy a day ticket for the public transport in Belgrade), a tourist information counter, new ticket offices and an excellent and affordable restaurant, where I enjoyed a nice meal after arriving from Novi Sad and before taking the night train to Bar. The only drawback is that the station is still poorly connected to Belgrade itself by public transport with only a bus connection, tram connections are available at the Novi Beograd station where all trains coming from Novi Sad stop as well, which has also received a major overhaul and doesn't look as run down anymore as it used to. There also tram connections to the Karađorđev Park and Vukov Spomenik stations on the BG:VOZ (run-down kind of S-Bahn) network.

It's possible to do Szeged-Belgrade (or even Budapest-Belgrade) in a single day, taking the 08:58 train from Szeged to Subotica, arriving at 10:24, then leaving Subotica at 15:05 (yes, there is no better connection) arriving at Novi Sad at 18:41, then take one of the high speed Soko or regional trains to Belgrade with the last Soko train leaving at 21:30 and the last regional train at 23:50.

There is also a very early train from Subotica to Novi Sad at 05:22 in the morning, and from September 1 there is also an additional possibility of getting to Belgrade via Zrenjanin, taking the 07:06 train from Subotica to Zrenjanin arriving at 10:11, then taking the one and only train from Zrenjanin to Belgrade at 10:55 arriving into Belgrade Centar at 13:09. This train does not stop at Novi Beograd but it does stop at Vukov Spomenik and Karađorđev Park.


Thanks for this detailed report! I was thinking of doing Budapest to Belgrade in a day like you mentioned, but would it be too risky to book the sleeper for that night too?
 

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I would think that's too risky indeed, because in those regions timekeeping isn't very high on the priority list and if you miss the 19:00 Soko train from Novi Sad the next train won't arrive into Beograd Centar until 20:27 which is 3 minutes before the sleeper leaves. In my case we were late enough to miss the 19:00 Soko train, that was already gone. Also as far as I know the sleeper train needs to be booked in Serbia and on the day there's definitely a chance that it's sold out.

Both Novi Sad and Belgrade are delightful cities to visit and Belgrade definitely has some interesting transport as well so I would stay the night there and take the sleeper the next day.
 
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