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SouthStand

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I have the following booking for next Sunday, can I get an earlier (East Coast or FCC) service from London KX if I make it across London in a quicker time?

Journey 1: BRISTOL TEMPLE MEADS to PETERBOROUGH

Travel on Sunday 13 February 2011

Departs Arrives By Reservations
12:30 - bristol temple meads 14:21 - london paddington Train (FIRST GREAT WESTERN) Coach: * Seat: **
14:21 - london paddington 15:23 - london kings cross Tube No seats reserved.
15:23 - london kings cross 16:54 - peterborough Train (FIRST CAPITAL CONNECT) No seats reserved.

Ticket Type: ADVANCE SINGLE

Route: This ticket is only valid for routes passing through both London and Reading
 
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An hour to get from Paddington to KGX? They're having a laugh - circle and hammersmith lines go there (not withstanding engineering works)

I would imagine that you'd have to get the 15:23 KGX to PBO train since you have an advance ticket which ties you into that train. If your KGX to PBO was Off-Peak or Anytime then you could use it
 

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I have the following booking for next Sunday, can I get an earlier (East Coast or FCC) service from London KX if I make it across London in a quicker time?

Contrary to the previous poster, the answer is almost certainly yes as long as it is FCC. East Coast services allow booking in their own right so you may well get a problem if you use them. With FCC the guard is unlikely to be interested in working out whether you have made quicker time that allowed from Paddington. The tickets will not give details of the FCC train, only the FGW train is listed on the reservation coupon.
 

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Oh, no, not that can of worms again!

An hour is pretty standard but if you get off the HST near the rear of the train (can't remember which coach), go straight up the stairs to the H&C platforms and get on a train pretty quick, then I'd say you stand a chance of getting the 1459, although whether you are allowed to or not is debatable. You should make the 1505 which there is no doubt you are allowed to get. The 1515 is debatable.

If the ticket was routed "FGW & Connections" then the vast majority of people (including many railway staff) would say you can take any train. Of course HHF would disagree but that's only to be expected ;)

However as it doesn't, then there is no rule stating that you can take "appropriate connecting trains", only that you can take "booked trains". This of course led to the debate a few weeks/months ago as to whether or not a train that is merely "suggested" is "booked" or not. It's a massive can of worms and the rules are not totally clear one way or the other. Given the lack of clear rules, it will be up to the guard to make a decision based on what he/she thinks the rules are. I cannot predict how they will react.

My advice would be to approach the guard and ask "Am I OK to use this ticket on this train?" if they say no, head to the FCC train 6 or 10 minutes later.

It's only an extra 17 minutes on FCC (+ 6 or 10 mins wait).
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Contrary to the previous poster, the answer is almost certainly yes as long as it is FCC.
I agree that the previous poster is incorrect, although it is debatable whether it has to be FCC. The ticket itself isn't a FCC/FGW specific ticket.
East Coast services allow booking in their own right so you may well get a problem if you use them.
Although there isn't a rule that states that, and I disagree with people who claim there is such a rule, I agree that there may be issues in practice.
With FCC the guard is unlikely to be interested in working out whether you have made quicker time that allowed from Paddington.
There isn't a guard, and as there is no reservation an RPI could not know what train you were 'advised' to get and I agree they wouldn't be interested in working it out.
The tickets will not give details of the FCC train, only the FGW train is listed on the reservation coupon.
Yes, normally on this type of ticket I'd expect the system to 'book' an EC service, but the engineering works on that Sunday mean that there is a huge gap between 1515 and 1659 with the only train between them the FCC train the OP is recommended to get.
 

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East Coast T & Cs for advance tickets state:
http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/travel-i...nformation/Ticket-Sales-Terms-and-Conditions/

"1. Your ticket(s) are only valid for the date, East Coast train(s) and reserved seat(s) shown on your ticket(s), plus those of appropriate connecting Train Companies. If your ticket shows a route "EC and Connections", you will be reserved on to all necessary East Coast trains and connecting trains of other companies at the time of booking. Please note that if you take connecting trains other than those shown on your ticket, you will need a seat reservation to travel by any connecting train shown in the timetable as reserveable."

This suggests, although does not guarantee, that you can, in principle, take "other" trains for the secondary (connecting) part of the journey, but only if no seat reservations are available for that train.

So, based on this, earlier FCC train= yes
earlier EC train= need guard's permission to be safe
 

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Oh, no, not that can of worms again!

Had a feeling I'd seen a similar thread last year. Going down for City v Leeds on the Saturday but the two sets of engineering works have made it a difficult trip to book in advance (having to go down via Birmingham using split tickets).
 

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An hour is pretty standard but if you get off the HST near the rear of the train (can't remember which coach)

Should be Coach A at the country end at Paddington. The vestibules between A and B are best for a quick exit and up the stairs for the H&C. That said, it's not always the case. Sets can be in reverse formation.
 

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There are major engineering works between PBO and KGX next weekend so I'd just get what was booked with EC. FCC has lots of buses...
 

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An hour to get from Paddington to KGX? They're having a laugh - circle and hammersmith lines go there (not withstanding engineering works

I think their are no circle/hammersmith and city for a couple of weekends, was the idea today, better off catching the 205 bus from outside paddington, goes to kings x, takes 25-30mins (dunno whether ticket is valid on bus)


 

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I think their are no circle/hammersmith and city for a couple of weekends, was the idea today, better off catching the 205 bus from outside paddington, goes to kings x, takes 25-30mins (dunno whether ticket is valid on bus)

Correct. See here.

LU tickets are accepted on replacement buses as far as I'm aware and the only route relevant to H&C/Circle is between Paddington and Hammersmith.

This will mean it is going to have to be Bakerloo to Oxford Circus then Victoria, or to Piccadilly Circus then Piccadilly. I would still expect you to make the 1505, with everything working out though.

Not sure if tickets accepted on regular buses, but even if not, it is only £1.30 on Oyster and is likely to be the easiest way. However, unlike the message provided for closure on the Overground, there is no explicit mention of acceptance on appropriate alternative bus routes which leads me to incline towards the opinion that it is not accepted.
 

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My preferred route won't suit everyone, so apolgies if this doesn't help the OP.

I regularly take my bike with me on long distance journeys; and I find that interchanges in London are much easier, predictable and reliable when I cycle.
I do Kings Cross - Paddington in 20 minutes (that's everything from picking the bike out of the DVT or luggage area to arriving at the barrier at the other station. That timing works even if there are road closures, jams, disruption, whatever).

Remember, the TOCs don't charge you for taking a bike, and you don't have to take it all the way to your destination - you can just lock it up at the second London station and collect it on your way back!
 

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wouldn't a Boris bike be a lot less hassle than taking a bike just to cross London?

Yes, I've done Paddington to King's Cross several times on a b-bike (and they're available for casual use now too) but if you want to take the quick route (i.e. Euston Road), you've got to be a very confident cyclist.

There's a quieter route too, though, along Sussex Pl, Connaught St, George St, Weymouth St, then a slightly weaving route through to Tavistock Pl, where you can cut through to the racks on Belgrove St. But it's easy to get lost if you don't know it.
 

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I've done Euston Road - Marylebone Road a few times. But with all the traffic lights there it simply isn't the quickest route! Pretty much as Stut suggests though I go along Crawford Street rather than George Street, which is a little more direct.

@Tony. I don't actually find it a hassle to take the bike on the train (and it lets me avoid the need for underground stations which would be a hassle, eg Thameslink or LU), and it generally makes it easy for me at either end of the journey too (and cheaper!).
 
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