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The longer it takes to get them working, them longer travel will be free :)
Or will they sell tickets on the bus?
Just heard on the BBC local news there's going to be an update at a public meeting on Metrobus at City Hall today; the Bristol Post website says it's at 10am.
 
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Saw the running board of an m3 today. It is 74xx, as used previously by the UWE, Anne before that by the X74.

So it is basically the X74, renumbered! Lol
 

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Or will they sell tickets on the bus?
Just heard on the BBC local news there's going to be an update at a public meeting on Metrobus at City Hall today; the Bristol Post website says it's at 10am.
Any more news on whether the iPoints are up and running? Yesterday I caught the 19, and the only iPoints I could see were at UWE (Campus and Gardens). On the plus side, the timetable has finished downloading at Campus.
It would appear you can already buy Dayriders from those iPoints that have been installed, judging by the one at Cabot Circus.
 

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Any more news on whether the iPoints are up and running? Yesterday I caught the 19, and the only iPoints I could see were at UWE (Campus and Gardens). On the plus side, the timetable has finished downloading at Campus.
It would appear you can already buy Dayriders from those iPoints that have been installed, judging by the one at Cabot Circus.

The one installed at Lewins Mead was working and the RTI does still show the other services which stop at that stop e.g. 5 and T1.

If you top up the Travel West Smartcard online, you have to use the machine to transfer your purchase from your account to your card.
 

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Anyone in the Transport for Greater Bristol e-group would have seen my message from the other week; have copied and pasted it below for comment here.

We had a family ride out on the m3 bus today, doing a return trip from Lyde Green to Cabot Circus and I must say that I didn’t find very much at all to be impressed with.

First impressions; the bus stop was already in a very poor condition with weeds growing up through the block paving and a very poor quality finish to the street furniture.

The real-time display on the stop said that no services were due, even though the “bus checker” app was providing real-time information (albeit inaccurate as it is the second stop from the start of the route so did not pick up that it was running 6 Min late until after its scheduled departure time).

It was great to see the bus was so busy, but I too question how busy it will be when the service isn’t free. The bus doesn’t actually seem to run anywhere useful aside from Uwe and Emerson’s Green bus terminal; with stops in awkward isolated locations. I noticed Begbrook stop for instance, seems to only be convenient if you’re going to the allotment; anyone who lives in the nearby houses has quite a walk to even get to the main road where the segregated bus section meets the normal road. I presume the bus stop is some way back from the junction due to road design rules, but it isn’t great. Similarly stops on the ring road seem to be quite some way from the roundabouts; can’t say it seems very appetising to wait for a bus there with traffic either queueing up or speeding past.

On a more positive note, the buses themselves seem very well built. I’m no fan of ADL products but there were no squeaky and rattling panels (like on every other bus I’ve ever been on, aside from the “Borismasters” in London), and despite the hot weather they were very cool; normally the top deck especially is unbearable during hot weather. It seems to have some kind of air cooling/conditioning system, but I’m not sure why they have openable windows as that means such systems don’t actually work as effectively as they should. A significant amount of water was pouring out of the outlet at the side of the bus at the top of the stairs where there was some kind of cooling equipment.

Still looks like there is lots to do; the majority of the stops still don’t have the ticket machines; I’m also not quite sure how many are to be installed. I’m not convinced that only one at each stop will be enough. At Science Park outbound stop the driver said they can’t stop in line with the bus shelter because one of the two doors will be blocked by a glass panel! Science Park stop in either direction didn’t have the usual Metrobus style sign or shelter.

The journey itself seemed very slow and not the quickest route, although the tour of the UWE car park was very interesting, it added a significant amount of time to what was already a slow journey. We spent not very much time in traffic, although because the bus lane ends before the roundabouts there was a little bit of congestion.

I think an express bus route is a great low-cost option, and could have been really successful. But this doesn’t seem to be it; it is very slow and infrequent.
 

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Anyone in the Transport for Greater Bristol e-group would have seen my message from the other week; have copied and pasted it below for comment here.

We had a family ride out on the m3 bus today, doing a return trip from Lyde Green to Cabot Circus and I must say that I didn’t find very much at all to be impressed with.

First impressions; the bus stop was already in a very poor condition with weeds growing up through the block paving and a very poor quality finish to the street furniture.

The real-time display on the stop said that no services were due, even though the “bus checker” app was providing real-time information (albeit inaccurate as it is the second stop from the start of the route so did not pick up that it was running 6 Min late until after its scheduled departure time).

It was great to see the bus was so busy, but I too question how busy it will be when the service isn’t free. The bus doesn’t actually seem to run anywhere useful aside from Uwe and Emerson’s Green bus terminal; with stops in awkward isolated locations. I noticed Begbrook stop for instance, seems to only be convenient if you’re going to the allotment; anyone who lives in the nearby houses has quite a walk to even get to the main road where the segregated bus section meets the normal road. I presume the bus stop is some way back from the junction due to road design rules, but it isn’t great. Similarly stops on the ring road seem to be quite some way from the roundabouts; can’t say it seems very appetising to wait for a bus there with traffic either queueing up or speeding past.

On a more positive note, the buses themselves seem very well built. I’m no fan of ADL products but there were no squeaky and rattling panels (like on every other bus I’ve ever been on, aside from the “Borismasters” in London), and despite the hot weather they were very cool; normally the top deck especially is unbearable during hot weather. It seems to have some kind of air cooling/conditioning system, but I’m not sure why they have openable windows as that means such systems don’t actually work as effectively as they should. A significant amount of water was pouring out of the outlet at the side of the bus at the top of the stairs where there was some kind of cooling equipment.

Still looks like there is lots to do; the majority of the stops still don’t have the ticket machines; I’m also not quite sure how many are to be installed. I’m not convinced that only one at each stop will be enough. At Science Park outbound stop the driver said they can’t stop in line with the bus shelter because one of the two doors will be blocked by a glass panel! Science Park stop in either direction didn’t have the usual Metrobus style sign or shelter.

The journey itself seemed very slow and not the quickest route, although the tour of the UWE car park was very interesting, it added a significant amount of time to what was already a slow journey. We spent not very much time in traffic, although because the bus lane ends before the roundabouts there was a little bit of congestion.

I think an express bus route is a great low-cost option, and could have been really successful. But this doesn’t seem to be it; it is very slow and infrequent.
There's access via a footpath/cyclepath from the Begbrook stop direct to Frenchay Park Road, where a light-controlled pedestrian crossing has been provided. I agree with you regarding the remoteness of stops on the ring road. And the fact that the m3 doesn't stop between Lyde Green P&R and the Science Park makes it less convenient than the erstwhile X48.
 

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Had another trip out from Begbrook to Emersons Green this afternoon. Apart from Stoke Park NB all stops now have iPoints installed, but not all were working (displaying next bus info or selling tickets).
36801-5 have now had their 'travel free' advertising removed to display offside slogans as follows:
36801 - I'm quicker because you buy before you board!
36802/3 - go between the City Centre & UWE in under 20 minutes.
36804/5 - go between Emersons Green & the City centre. quicker.
From what I saw, the slogan is the same nearside and offside.
 

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Had another trip out from Begbrook to Emersons Green this afternoon. Apart from Stoke Park NB all stops now have iPoints installed, but not all were working (displaying next bus info or selling tickets).
36801-5 have now had their 'travel free' advertising removed to display offside slogans as follows:
36801 - I'm quicker because you buy before you board!
36802/3 - go between the City Centre & UWE in under 20 minutes.
36804/5 - go between Emersons Green & the City centre. quicker.
From what I saw, the slogan is the same nearside and offside.
Did you see what happened if somebody wanted to board from a bus stop without a working machine?
 

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Did you see what happened if somebody wanted to board from a bus stop without a working machine?
No - no-one boarded the journey I was on (14:30 from Begbrook to Emersons Green) apart from at UWE Campus, where the machine was working. I know the EB machine at Begbrook wasn't working (that's the one for going to the Centre), but the WB machine was. Of course, intending passengers can use an m-ticket, which seems quite a popular option nowadays, (probably the 50p discount has seen to that).
 

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There are also plans for a new bus depot on the former Rolls Royce site at filton/patchway. No idea what company though!

Further to this snippet..

Has there been any discussion on this forum of proposals for a bus link from Parkway to Cribbs by way of Gypsy Patch Lane, the Rolls Royce site and the airfield ..?

It would involve replacement and opening out of the Gypsy Patch Lane rail bridge, a new junction into the Rolls Royce site (newly completed), new road across Rolls Royce site, thence by way of existing underpass under A38 Gloucester Road onto Filton Airfield, past the proposed site of Filton Station, then along course of runway and out through a short link onto the existing road network into Cribbs..

Not sure where I saw this proposal published (and wouldn't be able to share link on this phone even if I was) but it could've been the Bradley Stoke Community page..

Would certainly help to open up the horribly congested and disfunctional existing road network around this part of the 'Northern Fringe', and unlock potential for better connectivity..
 

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Further to this snippet..

Has there been any discussion on this forum of proposals for a bus link from Parkway to Cribbs by way of Gypsy Patch Lane, the Rolls Royce site and the airfield ..?

It would involve replacement and opening out of the Gypsy Patch Lane rail bridge, a new junction into the Rolls Royce site (newly completed), new road across Rolls Royce site, thence by way of existing underpass under A38 Gloucester Road onto Filton Airfield, past the proposed site of Filton Station, then along course of runway and out through a short link onto the existing road network into Cribbs..

Not sure where I saw this proposal published (and wouldn't be able to share link on this phone even if I was) but it could've been the Bradley Stoke Community page..

And maybe this belongs on Metrobus thread..?

Would certainly help to open up the horribly congested and disfunctional existing road network around this part of the 'Northern Fringe', and unlock potential for better connectivity..

Link below, which has further links

https://travelwest.info/projects/cribbs-patchway-metrobus-extension
 

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Further to this snippet..

Has there been any discussion on this forum of proposals for a bus link from Parkway to Cribbs by way of Gypsy Patch Lane, the Rolls Royce site and the airfield ..?

It would involve replacement and opening out of the Gypsy Patch Lane rail bridge, a new junction into the Rolls Royce site (newly completed), new road across Rolls Royce site, thence by way of existing underpass under A38 Gloucester Road onto Filton Airfield, past the proposed site of Filton Station, then along course of runway and out through a short link onto the existing road network into Cribbs..

Not sure where I saw this proposal published (and wouldn't be able to share link on this phone even if I was) but it could've been the Bradley Stoke Community page..

And maybe this belongs on Metrobus thread..?

Would certainly help to open up the horribly congested and disfunctional existing road network around this part of the 'Northern Fringe', and unlock potential for better connectivity..
Like this https://travelwest.info/projects/cribbs-patchway-metrobus-extension

Heaven forfend that a road scheme to open up an area for commercial development be dressed up under the guise of a public transport improvement.... ;)
 

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Thanks both ^ ^ :) :)

Yes, even though I haven't yet managed to get that link to work for me on this rubbish old phone, I can see that it's a proposal that's been in place for quite some time, is probably integral to what's already taking place 'on the ground', already has its own acronym (CPME, Cribbs Patchway Metrobus Extension).

I actually don't mind how they dress it up.. (notwithstanding what we know of the South Bristol Link, etc..)..

But the frustratingly messed up state of the road network in this part of NW Bristol (and S Glos) for historical reasons that can now be got round.. has to be tackled... We're all need a road network that's fit for purpose, whether bus-users or otherwise... And I know people that have to decline job opportunities in this part of N Bristol because bus links that should be there are just unworkable because of the congested road network at peak times... (See also Charlton Road, chopped off by runway extension 60+ years ago..)..
 

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They were testing 36833 on the busway near Ashton Gate this afternoon.
Meanwhile 37603 was out on the A1.
 

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After a temporary blip the Bristol Post is back to the top of the bad reporting chart with a none story about how the Metrobus is bad because it dosent run during lots of football games despite the fact it wasn't designed to serve Ashton Gate, the Park and Ride site legally cant serve Ashton Gate, the nearest stop is quite a walk from Ashton Gate and the games are already served with a fleet of direct buses to the site from all across Bristol!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exclusive-metrobus-never-meant-be-1856068
 

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After a temporary blip the Bristol Post is back to the top of the bad reporting chart with a none story about how the Metrobus is bad because it dosent run during lots of football games despite the fact it wasn't designed to serve Ashton Gate, the Park and Ride site legally cant serve Ashton Gate, the nearest stop is quite a walk from Ashton Gate and the games are already served with a fleet of direct buses to the site from all across Bristol!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exclusive-metrobus-never-meant-be-1856068

To be fair, it has a stop at (well near) Ashton gate (it isn't "quite a walk" at all, we are talking easily less than 10 mins) and I don't see why its at all "out there" to expect a public transport scheme that has cost so much to serve the biggest sports stadium in the city when the route runs right past it. In terms of other buses to Ashton Gate, of course you have the 24 but have you ever tried catching that on a match day? Even ignoring how full it gets (remembering the 24 doesn't have deckers), the journey is horrible as the traffic along North Street is basically gridlock. There are a handful of other services too but really none of them are good enough.
 

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To be fair, it has a stop at (well near) Ashton gate (it isn't "quite a walk" at all, we are talking easily less than 10 mins) and I don't see why its at all "out there" to expect a public transport scheme that has cost so much to serve the biggest sports stadium in the city when the route runs right past it. In terms of other buses to Ashton Gate, of course you have the 24 but have you ever tried catching that on a match day? Even ignoring how full it gets (remembering the 24 doesn't have deckers), the journey is horrible as the traffic along North Street is basically gridlock. There are a handful of other services too but really none of them are good enough.
The stops on the A370 for the Weston/Nailsea buses are closer than the Metrobus stops so, even if it's running, I cant see people wanting to deliberately use it. From memory at the time that Metrobus was being planned the plan for the stadium was to knock it down and make it into a Sainsburys.
 

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The stops on the A370 for the Weston/Nailsea buses are closer than the Metrobus stops so, even if it's running, I cant see people wanting to deliberately use it. From memory at the time that Metrobus was being planned the plan for the stadium was to knock it down and make it into a Sainsburys.

Why have an "Ashton Gate" stop at all then if it was never meant to actually serve Ashton gate?
Though granted I didn't know about the A370 stops.
In terms of the Sainsbury's, that was the Memorial Stadium in North Bristol wasn't it (the home of Bristol Rovers)?
 

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Why have an "Ashton Gate" stop at all then if it was never meant to actually serve Ashton gate?
Though granted I didn't know about the A370 stops.
In terms of the Sainsbury's, that was the Memorial Stadium in North Bristol wasn't it (the home of Bristol Rovers)?
It was at both City and Rovers!
 

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Why have an "Ashton Gate" stop at all then if it was never meant to actually serve Ashton gate?
Though granted I didn't know about the A370 stops.
In terms of the Sainsbury's, that was the Memorial Stadium in North Bristol wasn't it (the home of Bristol Rovers)?
There have been plans like that for both stadiums. The Ashton Gate one (from memory so some details may be wrong) was for Sainsburys to buy Ashton Gate, move their Ashton store there then dispose of their site whilst the city stadium went to a new site near the Park and Ride. It all fell through when they couldn't get planning permission for the new stadium.

The problem is Long Ashton park and ride operates fairly well already but has little road priority; using the old rail line to speed it up isn't much use as you cant get from the railhead to the road. The solution (a massive new bridge) is completely over the top just to cut a few minutes off the park and ride journey time. Plus, of course, the buses have to be guided over the old rail route because of the limited clearances.
However if you can somehow wrap it up as a scheme to regenerate bits of South Bristol with a new south circular bus route then, suddenly, the scheme justifies building a new road (The A370-A38 link) that the council have been after for many years and make it look like a public transport scheme. Most of the rest of the bus route has now been dropped (as it would just serve fields at present) and we end up with a replacement park and ride that has to have the new stops to despite them not being very well located (there's a school and university campus the same distance away on the other side).
 

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Why have an "Ashton Gate" stop at all then if it was never meant to actually serve Ashton gate?
Though granted I didn't know about the A370 stops.
In terms of the Sainsbury's, that was the Memorial Stadium in North Bristol wasn't it (the home of Bristol Rovers)?

It was at both City and Rovers!

Indeed - both the Bristol clubs were subject to proposed stadium moves at the behest of Sainsburys. The Gas were further down the road of a move and had a contract with Sainsbury's to buy the Mem enabling a move to a new ground at Cheswick near UWE. However, Sainsbury's then terminated the contract and won a subsequent court case. City were looking to develop land at Ashton Vale for a new stadium, selling Ashton Gate to Sainsburys for a new store. However, local residents sought to declare the land at Ashton Vale as a village green space and so protect it from development. Given the legal obstacles, Steve Lansdown decided to redevelop Ashton Gate instead.

Carl is on the money that the SBLR is just a road building scheme dressed up as a public transport initiative. That the m2 is now running through, the new line is that they are safeguarding/futureproofing the capacity for when new developments are built. Hence the irony when people write into the Bristol Post complaining about the >£200m spend on some bus lanes when the reality is it was never about the buses!

Don't know what the longer term metrobus aspirations might be but perhaps we could see at least the Weston to Bristol services routed that way to utilise the metrobus infrastructure (subject to the exacting requirements being met). However, the Bristol Post article is a return to the usual ill informed tosh.
 

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Indeed - both the Bristol clubs were subject to proposed stadium moves at the behest of Sainsburys. The Gas were further down the road of a move and had a contract with Sainsbury's to buy the Mem enabling a move to a new ground at Cheswick near UWE. However, Sainsbury's then terminated the contract and won a subsequent court case. City were looking to develop land at Ashton Vale for a new stadium, selling Ashton Gate to Sainsburys for a new store. However, local residents sought to declare the land at Ashton Vale as a village green space and so protect it from development. Given the legal obstacles, Steve Lansdown decided to redevelop Ashton Gate instead.

Carl is on the money that the SBLR is just a road building scheme dressed up as a public transport initiative. That the m2 is now running through, the new line is that they are safeguarding/futureproofing the capacity for when new developments are built. Hence the irony when people write into the Bristol Post complaining about the >£200m spend on some bus lanes when the reality is it was never about the buses!

Don't know what the longer term metrobus aspirations might be but perhaps we could see at least the Weston to Bristol services routed that way to utilise the metrobus infrastructure (subject to the exacting requirements being met). However, the Bristol Post article is a return to the usual ill informed tosh.
I did think this but would there be enough capacity with the M2 and the A1 to introduce further services, considering some sections are single carriageway.
 

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I did think this but would there be enough capacity with the M2 and the A1 to introduce further services, considering some sections are single carriageway.

That was my concern with the single bits - is it just Ashton Avenue and the approaches? - but it will be 12 x A1, 12 x m2 per hour so could they fit in another 8? Guess it also depends on not constraining further service enhancements on the m2.
 

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I think there is just enough capacity for 34 bph, well this was the frequency mentioned in the metrobus documents. 20bph (m2) 10bph (A1) and 4bph (X1)
 
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