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Brighton Belle cars - what is their current state?

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Yesterday's walk with the Ramblers took us past the Little Mill Inn in the village of Rowarth near Hayfield, Derbyshire. I saw that the preserved Brighton Belle car in the beer garden was swathed in plastic sheeting and no longer in use as a diner. This made me wonder what the current state of the Belle cars is. Another one was/is at a pub near Winsford (or was it Hartford?) and visible from trains on the WCML. What is the current state of the various preserved cars and the proposal to restore a short set of Belle cars to running condition?
 
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Search under 'Designed for' for 'Pullman SR' here http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/search.asp

and here specifically for the restoration project http://brightonbelle.com/

BRIGHTON BELLE – MOVING TO NEW LOCATION
The first two cars of the four-car Brighton Belle train being restored at Messrs WHD Davies, Shirebrook have now been moved to Locomotive Services Ltd. premises at Crewe TMD. So far only the two trailer cars have been transferred, first class Car 82 Doris and kitchen saloon Car 85 Gravetye Manor. In due course the two Motor Cars Car 88 Mabel and Car 91 Beryl will join them to make up the first stage of the 4 car restored train. This move allows the train to be assembled on the rails once more, post its restoration. The next task is Certification, in order to be able to run on the main line. This wonderful project now moves one further step towards completion.

27 November 2021
A recent visit to the Brighton Belle four cars under restoration at Locomotive services at Crewe (Cars 88 – Beryl, 85 Gravetye Manor, Doris 82 and 91 Mabel) now reveals substantial progress since their arrival from Shirebrook. There have been major problems affecting the work: firstly managing through the restrictions imposed by Covid, and secondly the need to rectify the extremely complex installation of the electrical equipment needed to make a 1930s build, electric multiple unit fit to run on today’s modern rail network, with all the safety systems demanded. This has been both very expensive and complex. Fortunately the people at Crewe have been up to the job. Apart for the inevitable requirements of the inevitable ‘snagging’ works, the restored unit now approaches the time for it to be able to advance to the next stage.
During the next stage the 4BEL unit will be taken to Eastleigh, where the vehicle will have all its systems tested on the third rail itself. When it is ruled compliant, it will then undergo proving test running, and all the passenger systems, like catering, will be brought to satisfaction. A huge amount of work has therefore still to be carried out, as well as all the equipment must be obtained and installed to allow the service of high-quality meals on board.
We shall not forecast and date for the completion of the work at either Crewe or Eastleigh, as we have been too optimistic in the past, leading to high hopes, that have then had to be dashed with subsequent disappointment.
Following are a series of interior ‘working’ photographs of each of the four cars, taken whilst the ‘job’ was going on. You can see the improvements that have been achieved at Crewe. The quality of the fitments and furnishings are a delight to the eye, and the restoration work of the teams is excellent. The finishing touches are still to be made, but these photographs are something of a celebration of where we have come so far.
 

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When I visited The Little Mill back in March, I was told that their Pullman Car has been sold (for £1.00), but I don't know who is the buyer.

It's a challenging location for moving a railway carriage, and I'm sure a good few pints will be consumed by those watching the spectacle!
 

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Yesterday's walk with the Ramblers took us past the Little Mill Inn in the village of Rowarth near Hayfield, Derbyshire. I saw that the preserved Brighton Belle car in the beer garden was swathed in plastic sheeting and no longer in use as a diner. This made me wonder what the current state of the Belle cars is. Another one was/is at a pub near Winsford (or was it Hartford?) and visible from trains on the WCML. What is the current state of the various preserved cars and the proposal to proposal to restore a short set of Belle cars to running condition?
I had no idea that was there!
 

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When I visited The Little Mill back in March, I was told that their Pullman Car has been sold (for £1.00), but I don't know who is the buyer.

It's a challenging location for moving a railway carriage, and I'm sure a good few pints will be consumed by those watching the spectacle!

From what i have seen reading the Pullman Coupe magazine. Apprently Goodmans got in there and he might be able to get it out?

This is the list of all the Belle Carraiges that survive (this is from the presereved emus survey)

5-BEL
3051​
DMBPT
289​
1932​
Met-CamLittle Mill Inn, Rowarth Derbyshire
TKF279 HAZEL
1932​
Met-CamPeak Rail
TKF282 DORIS
1932​
Met-CamCrewe, Locomotive Services Ltd (P)
TPT
286​
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
DMBPT
288​
1932​
Met-CamCrewe, Locomotive Services Ltd (P)
5-BEL
3053​
DMBPT
292​
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
TKF281 GWEN
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
TKF283 MONA
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
TPT
285​
1932​
Met-CamCrewe, Locomotive Services Ltd (P)
DMBPT
293​
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
5-BEL
3052​
DMBPT
291​
1932​
Met-CamCrewe, Locomotive Services Ltd (P)
5-BEL
3052​
TKF280 AUDREY
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
5-BEL
3052​
TKF284 VERA
1932​
Met-CamStewarts Lane T&RSD (VSOE) (P)
5-BEL
3052​
TPT
287​
1932​
Met-CamPeak Rail

The only one we are missing is 3052 DMBPT Car 90 which was destoryed by Fire at the ELR.

The ones which are part of the Brighton Belle Project are TKF 279 Hazel, TKF 282 Doris, DMBPT 288, TPT 285, DMBPT 291 and TPT 287

The rest are part of the VSOE fleet bar DMBPT 289 which is a Little Mill Inn
 

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Yesterday's walk with the Ramblers took us past the Little Mill Inn in the village of Rowarth near Hayfield, Derbyshire. I saw that the preserved Brighton Belle car in the beer garden was swathed in plastic sheeting and no longer in use as a diner. This made me wonder what the current state of the Belle cars is. Another one was/is at a pub near Winsford (or was it Hartford?) and visible from trains on the WCML. What is the current state of the various preserved cars and the proposal to proposal to restore a short set of Belle cars to running condition?
It was Winsford, but it left a long time ago (1998) though the pub is still The Brighton Belle.
 
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I believe they tried to remove the carriage at the Little Mill but there were issues, what issues exactly, the person at the pub could not tell me. When I looked through the windows it looked in relatively good condition.
 

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Going back thirty years or so, the carriage seats were in the pub and still in their BR Bournemouth Blue moquette. They were a bit creeky but extremely comfortable and perfect for sinking into with a pint or three.
 
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