Brexit matters

[edwin_m]

According to that link some product areas are decided by other government departments so it may still be required for some of those, possibly depending on nothing more than whether the relevant minister is a Brexit zealot. It's also "postponed indefinitely" not "cancelled" so there is some risk of it coming back. I guess it might also re-appear if the UK government decided to diverge from EU standards for a particular type of product.

 

[jon0844]

It won't happen. It will be extended and extended until such time that we're EU members again.

It serves no purpose as we're now an insignificance on the world stage, so we'd be stupid to deviate from EU standards. Other countries wouldn't necessarily bother to comply, and we'd have to comply with both our standards and those of abroad to export. Indeed, we'd need to comply with our own standards to sell within the UK - so if they were too stringent, companies would just sell abroad only (and then they might as well just move abroad).

 

[class ep-09]

UKCA was a totally pointless thing, putting more pressure on UK businesses and for no real gain. Foreign businesses weren't likely to produce things differently had our certification differed from CE (like the people who insisted Apple would keep the Lightning connector on the iPhone in the UK when they switch to USB-C) so had we gone ahead with it, it would have almost certainly mirrored CE forever anyway - but just added more cost.

And some businesses wouldn't bother and would choose not to sell their products/parts here at all.

100% agree .

Not just UKCA was totally pointless - the whole brexit BS has been , is , and always will be waste of time and money , just to prevent tory party from imploding.

 

[jon0844]

Which it has anyway. There's more division within the party now than there ever was.

 

[DC1989]

UKCA - What a disaster. British based companies have wasted huge amounts of money in getting their products UKCA marked and now it turns out they didn't even need to. Just an unbelievable waste of peoples time and money.

 

[class ep-09]

UK Brexit checks on fresh food from EU delayed for fifth time, reports say​

No surprise here too ….

UK Brexit checks on fresh food from EU delayed for fifth time, reports say

Government source reportedly says there are concerns extra red tape could fuel further inflation

www.theguardian.com

Extra “ red tape “ ??

We were supposed to remove red tape not add more , innit ?


Can this government ( and I mean tories ) organise ANYTHING ??

 

[DC1989]

UK Brexit checks on fresh food from EU delayed for fifth time, reports say​

No surprise here too ….

UK Brexit checks on fresh food from EU delayed for fifth time, reports say

Government source reportedly says there are concerns extra red tape could fuel further inflation

www.theguardian.com

Extra “ red tape “ ??

We were supposed to remove red tape not add more , innit ?


Can this government ( and I mean tories ) organise ANYTHING ??

It's quite remarkable just how much more red tape the govenment has put onto businesses in the last 13 years and yet still claim, with a straight face, to 'cut red tape'. Similarly being the low tax party and of course the low immigration party

They've gaslit the electorate for 13 years and there's still 25/30% of the population that will want them to do it again. Stockholm syndrome??

 

[jon0844]

I can't imagine how much counterfeit products, dodgy good and even possibly illegal immigrants are getting in because we don't want to do proper checks.

And the Government is responsible for it all, so doesn't want to talk about it. And Brexiteers are only ever looking off the coast of Dover.

 

[Gloster]

It's quite remarkable just how much more red tape the govenment has put onto businesses in the last 13 years and yet still claim, with a straight face, to 'cut red tape'. Similarly being the low tax party and of course the low immigration party

They've gaslit the electorate for 13 years and there's still 25/30% of the population that will want them to do it again. Stockholm syndrome??

The following is an opinion. They have cut red tape for those who have the money to indulge in all-sorts of tax avoidance tricks, fast-buck deals and smart money-making tricks. It is so much easier for them to legally avoid paying their fair share into society. Of course, a few rules have belatedly been tightened up, but only after this has been signalled long in advance. They have also hamstrung all those authorities, etc. who try to stop these things, all in the name of efficiency in that horrible Civil Service blob. Those of us who can’t take advantage of these tricks just have to pay through the nose.

 

[edwin_m]

It's quite remarkable just how much more red tape the govenment has put onto businesses in the last 13 years and yet still claim, with a straight face, to 'cut red tape'.

Well someone's got to create the red tape so they can start cutting it...

 

[Richard Scott]

The following is an opinion. They have cut red tape for those who have the money to indulge in all-sorts of tax avoidance tricks, fast-buck deals and smart money-making tricks. It is so much easier for them to legally avoid paying their fair share into society. Of course, a few rules have belatedly been tightened up, but only after this has been signalled long in advance. They have also hamstrung all those authorities, etc. who try to stop these things, all in the name of efficiency in that horrible Civil Service blob. Those of us who can’t take advantage of these tricks just have to pay through the nose.

I'm pretty sure those rules have been around for many years and are nothing new so why didn't Labour sort it out under their watch?

 

[ainsworth74]

I'm pretty sure those rules have been around for many years and are nothing new so why didn't Labour sort it out under their watch?

Who knows? Perhaps they tried but were unsuccessful becuase it got crowded out by other priorities. Perhaps they felt it wasn't an issue at that time.

Either way the Tories have now been in power for 13 years and assured us that they were going to cut red tape and that Brexit would be a key enabler of reducing burdensome regulation.

As there is little sign of that occuring and, indeed, some sign that they are in fact making it worse I'm not sure "But Labour!" is an especially strong rebuttal.

 

[Richard Scott]

Who knows? Perhaps they tried but were unsuccessful becuase it got crowded out by other priorities. Perhaps they felt it wasn't an issue at that time.

Either way the Tories have now been in power for 13 years and assured us that they were going to cut red tape and that Brexit would be a key enabler ofthat reducing burdensome regulation.

As there is little sign of that occuring and, indeed, some sign that they are in fact making it worse I'm not sure "But Labour!" is an especially strong rebuttal.

I agree but it seems to me that people think if Labour were in everything would be great; don't remember an awful lot changing from 1997 onwards.

 

[SteveP29]

I agree but it seems to me that people think if Labour were in everything would be great; don't remember an awful lot changing from 1997 onwards.

all of this bypassed you, did it?
https://imgur.com/gallery/fpQ76AT

 

[duncanp]

all of this bypassed you, did it?
https://imgur.com/gallery/fpQ76AT

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You would think with all of those achievements Labour would have been re-elected in 2010.

Oh hang on..

 

[nlogax]

You would think with all of those achievements Labour would have been re-elected in 2010.

Oh hang on..

Same goes for the Conservative government in 1997 who managed to drag the UK's economy out of the gutter and into a respectable state during the latter half of John Major's stint in No. 10. Oh hang on..

 

[Mikw]

You would think with all of those achievements Labour would have been re-elected in 2010.

Oh hang on..

To be fair 2010 was a long while after that, and the Iraq War and the Global Credit Crunch had happened since then.
However, it was good pro-European and pro-Freedom era with the NHS well funded and doing very well.

 

[Richard Scott]

all of this bypassed you, did it?
https://imgur.com/gallery/fpQ76AT

View attachment 140339

Not saying nothing changed but never felt like there were miraculous changes. To be honest a lot of those things are nothing special are they? I work in education and during that time class sizes increased. Lots of things there are hugely expensive and some people are more than able to afford (e.g. free eye tests for over 60s, there are many over 60s who can easily afford that) and cost a lot of money. No surprise country was broke when they left!

 

[nlogax]

Not saying nothing changed but never felt like there were miraculous changes. To be honest a lot of those things are nothing special are they? I work in education and during that time class sizes increased. Lots of things there are hugely expensive and some people are more than able to afford (e.g. free eye tests for over 60s, there are many over 60s who can easily afford that) and cost a lot of money.

That list encompasses an awful lot of tangible achievements which looking back do seem pretty miraculous seeing how many major topics were being dealt with at once. Some of them were undoubtedly built on the sound economics of the previous government and some could have been better targeted to individual groups (your point re. eye tests for instance), but on the whole it seems to me Labour moved the country firmly in the right direction after years of very little movement.

No surprise country was broke when they left!

We know the actual reason for that. It's well documented and a Conservative government would almost certainly have managed the UK banking meltdown in exactly the same way. Osborne was even largely supportive of the Brown government's actions at the time.

 

[duncanp]

We know the actual reason for that. It's well documented and a Conservative government would almost certainly have managed the UK banking meltdown in exactly the same way. Osborne was even largely supportive of the Brown government's actions at the time.

But I remember at the time that some in the Labour party were secretly glad that they lost power at the 2010 election, because it meant that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats would be responsible for taking the difficult decisions that needed to be made as a consequence of the 2008/2009 financial crisis.

 

[nlogax]

But I remember at the time that some in the Labour party were secretly glad that they lost power at the 2010 election, because it meant that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats would be responsible for taking the difficult decisions that needed to be made as a consequence of the 2008/2009 financial crisis.

That's part of that standard pattern of our politics, right? Voters tire of governments after x many years in power or when things have turned FUBAR, and similarly those in government look forward to getting out of the limelight and away from the responsibility of making those unpopular decisions. It's easier to regroup and reshape the offer to voters when not running the country.

 

[duncanp]

That's part of that standard pattern of our politics, right? Voters tire of governments after x many years in power or when things have turned FUBAR, and similarly those in government look forward to getting out of the limelight and away from the responsibility of making those unpopular decisions. It's easier to regroup and reshape the offer to voters when not running the country.

I agree, and it seems likely that Sir Keir Starmer will be the Prime Minister after the next UK general election. Whether the Labour Party have an overall majority or not remains to be seen.

The Rutherglen & Hamilton West by election will give some indication of the extent to which voters are tiring of the SNP.

 

[AlterEgo]

Not saying nothing changed but never felt like there were miraculous changes. To be honest a lot of those things are nothing special are they?

You must be the only person to shrug and say the Blair years didn't bring any profound political change, positive or otherwise.

 

[nlogax]

The Rutherglen & Hamilton West by election will give some indication of the extent to which voters are tiring of the SNP.

Indeed. I do have my suspicions about what the polling is supposedly demonstrating for that one. I guess that'll wait for nearer the time and for the dedicated thread!

 

[class ep-09]

Not saying nothing changed but never felt like there were miraculous changes. To be honest a lot of those things are nothing special are they? I work in education and during that time class sizes increased. Lots of things there are hugely expensive and some people are more than able to afford (e.g. free eye tests for over 60s, there are many over 60s who can easily afford that) and cost a lot of money. No surprise country was broke when they left!

If the country was broke then - how would you describe condition of the country after 13 years of tories ?

 

[Richard Scott]

If the country was broke then - how would you describe condition of the country after 13 years of tories ?

Not much has changed in reality. People see what they want to see. I'm glad Starmer wasn't in during pandemic as he'd have locked us down for longer and we'd be in an even bigger mess.

 

[najaB]

People see what they want to see.

You've kind of proved your own point:

I'm glad Starmer wasn't in during pandemic as he'd have locked us down for longer and we'd be in an even bigger mess.

The main issue with the government's handling of the Covid 19 outbreak was that they failed to act decisively. Stronger actions taken sooner would have had less impact overall.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Not much has changed in reality.

Inflation at over 10% last year and still at around 8% this year
NHS waiting lists sky high
Strikes all over
Five PMs over 7 years
Frivolous culture war nonsense to distract people from all of the above

But yes, clearly not much has changed.

 

[Bald Rick]

Inflation at over 10% last year and still at around 8% this year
NHS waiting lists sky high
Strikes all over
Five PMs over 7 years
Frivolous culture war nonsense to distract people from all of the above

But yes, clearly not much has changed.

You missed a rather significant éléphant dans le chambre in terms of something that has changed…

 

[Richard Scott]

You've kind of proved your own point:

The main issue with the government's handling of the Covid 19 outbreak was that they failed to act decisively. Stronger actions taken sooner would have had less impact overall.

Rubbish. That's not how it would have happened, it's a virus and keeping people locked up would just have kicked the can further down the road.

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Inflation at over 10% last year and still at around 8% this year
NHS waiting lists sky high
Strikes all over
Five PMs over 7 years
Frivolous culture war nonsense to distract people from all of the above

But yes, clearly not much has changed.

Ok, give you the PMs but doubt inflation would be any different under Labour, their economic policies usually end up leaving us in a worse position.
When has NHS not had long waiting lists? It's bound to happen, technology and medicine advances and people want to take advantage of it, obviously, but there isn't a bottomless supply of cash.

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You missed a rather significant éléphant dans le chambre in terms of something that has changed…

Which would be? It's la chambre!