Brexit matters

[E27007]

Yes and no. Citizenship is simply kinship scaled up, perhaps past the point where it makes any practical sense, but it's the same concept as being a member of the tribe.

The Norman Tebbitt International Cricket Match "Which side do they cheer for" is a valid comment concerning citizenship of our Country.

 

[jon0844]

September 12th 2022: MORE THAN a third of Brits on holiday in popular European Union destinations paid up to £1,000 for mobile roaming charges following the UK's withdrawal from the bloc.​

Unwitting holidaymakers who relied on their phones to keep in touch, find places and use social media received hefty bills after their breaks this summer. These sums reached an eye-watering £1,000 for just one holiday for the most unfortunate, with the average of those polled into the hundreds of pounds.

Stark warning to UK travellers as EU roaming charges reach £1,000

MORE THAN a third of Brits on holiday in popular European Union destinations paid up to £1,000 for mobile roaming charges following the UK's withdrawal from the bloc.

www.express.co.uk

Must be due to Covid or Ukraine? I mean, they said roaming charges weren't coming back.

September 13th 2018: Brexit lies EXPOSED: Mobile roaming charges WON’T come back for Brits travelling to EU​

THE government has confirmed mobile phone roaming charges will not be returning for British people travelling in the European Union if there’s a Brexit deal.

 

[Perthsaint]

The Norman Tebbitt International Cricket Match "Which side do they cheer for" is a valid comment concerning citizenship of our Country.

Not really, no.

 

[reddragon]

Stark warning to UK travellers as EU roaming charges reach £1,000

MORE THAN a third of Brits on holiday in popular European Union destinations paid up to £1,000 for mobile roaming charges following the UK's withdrawal from the bloc.

www.express.co.uk

Must be due to Covid or Ukraine? I mean, they said roaming charges weren't coming back.

Hopefully Brexit supporters who still think Brexit is wonderful & believed their own lies!

 

[REVUpminster]

I unwittingly paid roaming charges in the Isle of Man three years ago. Not in the EU or UK.

 

[AlterEgo]

The Norman Tebbitt International Cricket Match "Which side do they cheer for" is a valid comment concerning citizenship of our Country.

No it isn’t. My dad supports Ireland in the football if they play against England. He’s still a citizen and has the passport to prove it.

 

[jon0844]

I unwittingly paid roaming charges in the Isle of Man three years ago. Not in the EU or UK.

So, your point was?

 

[Gloster]

The Norman Tebbitt International Cricket Match "Which side do they cheer for" is a valid comment concerning citizenship of our Country.

So how would he classify people who have so little interest in cricket that they don’t know who is playing and don’t care? Stateless? I think it shows the mind of certain types of people that a love of the gentleman’s game is the mark of true, proper Englishmen (we take the memsahibs as agreeing with their menfolk). A lack of interest in it shows that you are not a true Englishman and can be ignored, although we are happy to use you soccer chappies as cannon-fodder.

 

[najaB]

So how would he classify people who have so little interest in cricket that they don’t know who is playing and don’t care? Stateless?

It's not literally about cricket.

The idea is in any international contest/competition - be it sports, arts, games, whatever - the side you want to win is a more accurate indicator of your personal national identity than the colour of your passport.

 

[Gloster]

It's not literally about cricket.

The idea is in any international contest/competition - be it sports, arts, games, whatever - the side you want to win is a more accurate indicator of your personal national identity than the colour of your passport.

I know it is not literally about cricket, but the choice of cricket is an example of a particular type of English, and I do mean English, mindset.

 

[najaB]

I know it is not literally about cricket, but the choice of cricket is an example of a particular type of English, and I do mean English, mindset.

Perhaps, but I assume that @E27007 was simply referring to the "Cricket Test" as it's a well-known (though controversial!) expression of the concept.

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Brexit going well, no problems here at all.

The number of UK businesses exporting goods to the EU fell 33 per cent to 18,357 in 2021, from 27,321 in 2020, according to data from HMRC.

Discussing the figures with City A.M., Michelle Dale, a senior manager at accountancy firm UHY Hacker Young, pointed out the fall is due to the extra red tape UK businesses must now comply with when exporting to the EU.

“Businesses are not getting enough support from the Government to navigate the post-Brexit trading minefield,” she said.

Brexit onslaught deepens as a third of all UK exporters to EU vanish due to red tape knockout

The number of UK businesses exporting goods to the EU fell 33 per cent to 18,357 in 2021, from 27,321 in 2020.

www.cityam.com

 

[Gloster]

The government’s consultation on whether to bring back imperial measurements included two options: bring back imperial ones or use both imperial and metric. If you wanted to stick to metric you could send an e-mail to the Department (BEIS) or fill in one of the test boxes in the survey. Omitting one of the obvious options is a very good way of being able to announce a result that is skewed to you preference. Do I detect the hand of Rees-Mogg in this? (Source: BBC Radio 4 More or Less (*), via The Grauniad.)

* Also the title of one the late Kenneth More’s autobiographies. I am no fan of actors’ biographies, but this one was very entertaining.

 

[reddragon]

Metric works on computers, all design is done in metric that will never change as all products are made in metric outside the US.

Imperial often works in the real world relating to feel, size and understanding as long as you don't need to calculate anything.

A mix of metric & imperial will give supermarkets a huge opportunity to confuse customers and increase profits. Was £2 per Kilo now just £1.50 per lb

 

[najaB]

Matric works on computers, all design is done in metric that will never change as all products are made in metric outside the US.

They're made in metric in the USA too.

The US pound and foot have been defined in terms of the kilogramme and metre since the 1970s.

 

[Annetts key]

If the government brings in a law that requires the U.K. to use imperial measurements, that’s very likely going to further degrade our exports. Plus increase the cost of imports.

Talk about shooting yourself in both legs…

 

[AlterEgo]

If the government brings in a law that requires the U.K. to use imperial measurements

Is there such a proposal?

 

[Gloster]

Is there such a proposal?

No, there is no formal proposal to do so, but it is quite clear from their utterances that there are those who would like to do so. The risk is that, like another disastrous idea, it will get up a head of steam and go through before its lunacy is realised.

 

[AlterEgo]

No, there is no formal proposal to do so, but it is quite clear from their utterances that there are those who would like to do so. The risk is that, like another disastrous idea, it will get up a head of steam and go through before its lunacy is realised.

I thought the proposal was simply the decriminalisation of advertising goods only in imperial.

 

[najaB]

I thought the proposal was simply the decriminalisation of advertising goods only in imperial.

I'm not aware that any specific proposal has been set out.

As @Gloster says (correctly IMO) the problem is that it's clear that those behind the proposal, including the Honourable Member for the 18th Century, are very much opposed to metric measures and I wouldn't put it past them to try to ban their use. It's instructive that the consultation document (link) contains several statements of questionable veracity:

• The UK officially adopted the metric system in stages between 1995 and 1999. [The UK adopted metric in 1965]
• While consistency in measurement supports fair trade and empowers consumers there has been consistent opposition to the current law on units of measurement by some traders and consumers who consider it to be overly prescriptive and an unnecessary restriction on freedom of choice. [The use of "some" in this statement implies that it is more of an issue than it is. "Few" would be more accurate, especially since there is no prohibition on displaying Imperial measurements.]
• The UK’s exit from the EU has created an opportunity to review the law on units of measurement for consumer transactions and to take back control of our measurement system so that it better reflects the needs of British businesses and consumers. [Perhaps I imagined the existence of the BSI]
• The purpose of the review is to identify how we can give more choice to businesses and consumers over the units of measurement they use for trade, while ensuring that measurement information remains accurate. [Again, businesses are perfectly free to trade using Imperial measurements, removing the requirement to also display metric measures actually reduces consumer options and increases complexity - I've measured in metres but the vendor only sells in feet.

 

[Gloster]

I'm not aware that any specific proposal has been set out.

As @Gloster says (correctly IMO) the problem is that it's clear that those behind the proposal, including the Honourable Member for the 18th Century, are very much opposed to Imperial measures and I wouldn't put it past them to try to ban their use. It's instructive that the consultation document (link) contains several statements of questionable veracity:

• The UK officially adopted the metric system in stages between 1995 and 1999. [The UK adopted metric in 1965]
• While consistency in measurement supports fair trade and empowers consumers there has been consistent opposition to the current law on units of measurement by some traders and consumers who consider it to be overly prescriptive and an unnecessary restriction on freedom of choice. [The use of "some" in this statement implies that it is more of an issue than it is. "Few" would be more accurate, especially since there is no prohibition on displaying Imperial measurements.]
• The UK’s exit from the EU has created an opportunity to review the law on units of measurement for consumer transactions and to take back control of our measurement system so that it better reflects the needs of British businesses and consumers. [Perhaps I imagined the existence of the BSI]
• The purpose of the review is to identify how we can give more choice to businesses and consumers over the units of measurement they use for trade, while ensuring that measurement information remains accurate. [Again, businesses are perfectly free to trade using Imperial measurements, removing the requirement to also display metric measures actually reduces consumer options and increases complexity - I've measured in metres but the vendor only sells in feet.

I presume you mean metric, not imperial, as highlighted.

The problem to my mind is that, although many of the idea’s supporters want no more than to allow imperial measures to be used, although some want primacy for imperial measures, a minority want to outlaw metric measurements. I suggest that it is an age thing: you need to be well into your sixties to default to imperial for everything. I am 62 and will often use imperial if I am doing something for my own convenience, but use metric for anything involving others.

 

[najaB]

I presume you mean metric, not imperial, as highlighted.

I did, thank you. Post corrected.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Being a cynic, I can see your stereotypical dodgy market traders making a killing on Imperial measurements.

Kilo of chicken for 6 quid right now? Offering you a bargain mate, pound of fresh chicken breast for just 3 quid.

 

[najaB]

Some Brexit benefits have been identified! The UK is going to scrap plans to ban the import of fur and foie gras and even allow the import of hunting trophies.

LONDON — The U.K. government will scrap proposed bans on the import of fur and foie gras — prompting outrage from Conservative animal welfare campaigners.

The plans were shelved earlier in 2022, leading to fears the promises would be ditched. But now the bans will not go ahead at all after Liz Truss became the new U.K. prime minister and reshuffled her top team.

Pledges to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and the import of hunting trophies are also at risk of ending up on the scrap heap. The ideas have been touted as post-Brexit opportunities, now that the U.K. can control its own trade border.

UK to drop proposed fur and foie gras import ban

Pledges to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and the import of hunting trophies are also at risk of ending up on the scrap heap.

www.politico.eu

 

[Annetts key]

As I understand it, another brexit benefit is that the Conservatives are now going to allow bankers to have unlimited bonuses again…

 

[najaB]

As I understand it, another brexit benefit is that the Conservatives are now going to allow bankers to have unlimited bonuses again…

Which they can spend on fur coats and foie gras - it all fits together.

 

[GusB]

Some Brexit benefits have been identified! The UK is going to scrap plans to ban the import of fur and foie gras and even allow the import of hunting trophies.

UK to drop proposed fur and foie gras import ban

Pledges to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and the import of hunting trophies are also at risk of ending up on the scrap heap.

www.politico.eu

Hurrah! I've really missed my foie gras over the years. What better way to keep warm when the energy prices are sky high than by wrapping oneself in fur, lying on that tiger-skin rug in front of the fire.

Toodle-pip, what!

 

[jon0844]

I was going to suggest people post the most outrageous ideas of what the Tories could do next, but then I realised the party might take it to form their next manifesto.

 

[Annetts key]

Um, I think they are already working their way through a list of outrageous ideas. I’ve not been paying too much attention to the spiel that the lizard has been saying, but didn’t she say that what she wanted to do, be seen as very unpopular or something similar / words to that effect?

And on various issues, she has already upset various of her own MPs…

Makes me wonder if another vote of no confidence will be along soon…

 

[DC1989]

Of course the problem is that we were promised so much from Brexit. Cheaper energy bills. No NI border. Huge reductions in immigration. A bigger and better fishing industry. More money for the NHS. Higher wages. No food shortages. Cheaper food. Cheaper clothes.

Basically lots of jam tomorrow. And the opposite has occurred. The cost of living crisis is not due to Brexit but you can't promise people a better tomorrow and then row back and say 'ahh all of these promises would have happened if global event X and global event Y didn't occur'

 

[Gloster]

The cost of living crisis is not due to Brexit but you can't promise people a better tomorrow and then row back and say 'ahh all of these promises would have happened if global event X and global event Y didn't occur'

Unfortunately you can if the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express are backing you.