When did they institute this ban? Can’t find any news article saying citizens were barred from entry, and I think the wiki article would have mentioned it.
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I'll need to hunt for the documentation but there was a period when the ban on non-essential travel to Canada applied to citizens and residents as well as non-nationals. As I said, I know a few Canadians who weren't able to return home (they were definitely Canadian residents but I don't 100% know that they were citizens), plus one of my work colleagues had to cancel a trip from Canada to the US as he wouldn't have been allowed back in.
nlogax
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I don't believe there was any outright ban on return from travelling outside of Canada's borders for citizens and residents. The constitution (Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms) doesn't allow for such a ruling. It was always an advisory, backed up by a mandatory two week quarantine period on return to the country.
johncrossley
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Looks like the GHIC will be valid in Switzerland soon.
www.gov.uk
The validity of the EHIC was rolled over in the EU but that didn't include Switzerland or the EFTA states. Reciprocal healthcare with Norway was maintained by another agreement. Can't see any evidence of progress regarding Liechtenstein (unless that is covered by the Swiss deal) or Iceland.
UK and Switzerland strike deal to secure healthcare access and other benefits for citizens living and travelling abroad
The UK and Switzerland have signed a landmark agreement which will benefit citizens who live and work abroad in either country
The validity of the EHIC was rolled over in the EU but that didn't include Switzerland or the EFTA states. Reciprocal healthcare with Norway was maintained by another agreement. Can't see any evidence of progress regarding Liechtenstein (unless that is covered by the Swiss deal) or Iceland.
Intel has stated quite clearly today that it won't consider the UK for a factory now we've left the EU.
Looks likely Ireland will benefit, but it could also be another EU member state. That's not clear yet, but what is clear is it won't be us.
First no fish, and now no chips...
Looks likely Ireland will benefit, but it could also be another EU member state. That's not clear yet, but what is clear is it won't be us.
First no fish, and now no chips...
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Johnson’s “f….k business “ comes to fruition.
birchesgreen
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Is this all part of the plan to make us a tech ultrapower?
Xenophon PCDGS
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If that aspiration is ever realised, will we finally be in a position to bring the death knell onto those scams that currently plague us?
REVUpminster
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Remainers love to blame Britain's shortcomings on Brexit for everything. The petrol shortage, it turns out is because the petrol industry was running down E5 petrol for E10 unleaded and the panic buying depleted the stock quicker than expected.
Also our shortages here are also reflected in Germany whose industrial production fell 4% in August due to shortages. Source is the German Destatis. So we all seem to be in the same boat in the EU or out of it.
Also our shortages here are also reflected in Germany whose industrial production fell 4% in August due to shortages. Source is the German Destatis. So we all seem to be in the same boat in the EU or out of it.
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I looks you know better than Road Haulage Association .
Who have no axe to grind at all?
A very over simplistic view. No one is denying that other countries have had shortages, but Brexit has clearly exacerbated many of our issues.
birchesgreen
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Brexiteers love to blame Britain's shortcomings on everything but Brexit.
Oh, so now it wasn't BP having a beef with one of the major tanker companies and trying to get the Goverment to allow visas for foreign workers (which despite initially being refused, subsequently happened).
When Boris first said no, BP didn't then tell anyone it might struggle to deliver which promoted social media to go mad (after the Government said 'don't panic'), followed by the media joining in to report on the queues.
Nice bit of history revision there. Just like how Boris has now started to pretend Brexit was all about creating wage increases for British workers, ignoring the fact that wages aren't going up. A handful of lorry drivers are being given bonuses to work for someone else and may temporarily gain, but once the issues are resolved they'll be paid just as much as they were before.
It sounds good in a speech though.
WestCoast
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Purely anecdotal but I visited a branch of Lidl in Greece last week and noted that their British cheddar cheese is clearly now from Northern Ireland, denoted by UK (NI) on the origin mark. From the list of languages on the back it looks like they sell it in thousands of stores across Europe. I suspect the producer in NI will not share the view of Frost etc that the protocol is not working, quite the opposite!
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Remainers love to blame everything on Brexit.
And most of the time they’re usually right.
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brad465
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And the media and politicians love both of these actions happening so they screw us all over while our backs are turned. They're the real winners here, everyone else, regardless of how they voted, loses.
It's fair to say Brexit isn't the sole cause of all problems, but when we've just experienced a major pandemic we really don't want anything else to make things worse.. which Brexit clearly has/is.
The thing is, people can't claim Brexit has made no difference when our leaders are acknowledging it has - but saying that some 'short term' pain is worth the long term gain. Apparently all our suffering is part of a clever strategy to force wages up and remove all that unskilled foreign labour (you know unskilled jobs like care workers, lorry driving etc).
In other words, Brexit is making things worse for millions of us - but in the future we're supposedly able to look back and realise it was worth it. I wonder if the farming, fishing, care, hospitality and transportation and other sectors will agree.
Jacob Rees-Mogg did say it could take 50 years, so I guess we just need some patience.
The thing is, people can't claim Brexit has made no difference when our leaders are acknowledging it has - but saying that some 'short term' pain is worth the long term gain. Apparently all our suffering is part of a clever strategy to force wages up and remove all that unskilled foreign labour (you know unskilled jobs like care workers, lorry driving etc).
In other words, Brexit is making things worse for millions of us - but in the future we're supposedly able to look back and realise it was worth it. I wonder if the farming, fishing, care, hospitality and transportation and other sectors will agree.
Jacob Rees-Mogg did say it could take 50 years, so I guess we just need some patience.
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Is that why they are low paid because they are unskilled? or because they're cheap?
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It is the lack of unions and collective bargaining that allowed low(ish) rates of pay for years in many sectors .
Business will pay as little as it can get away with, so if they had access to people, who could do it cheaper they used them .
Unfortunately word “unions” in this country is synonym of “champaign socialism” or “all evil “ so no surprise even the people who could benefit the most from strong unions , are against them .
Thanks to the right wing press of course.
Yup, people keep voting for parties that want rid of unions (or to make them toothless) and yet somehow believe the hype about wanting to see high wages for people.
We have a minium wage and I'm pretty sure those Europeans working here weren't paid any less than we were. I am sure the pay was as low as companies could get away with, and see no evidence that this is going to change.
Just because a few lorry drivers might earn a few quid more this year doesn't mean we're seeing wages rise. Many deals are one off bonuses or bounties, and a lot of fixed term contracts that will simply end.
We have a minium wage and I'm pretty sure those Europeans working here weren't paid any less than we were. I am sure the pay was as low as companies could get away with, and see no evidence that this is going to change.
Just because a few lorry drivers might earn a few quid more this year doesn't mean we're seeing wages rise. Many deals are one off bonuses or bounties, and a lot of fixed term contracts that will simply end.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Don't forget the "Polish plumbers" who were the first to bear that type of name.
Incidentally, though from outside the area, have you seen how many Turkish barber shops have opened in the last couple of years?
They've certainly become very popular of late, and they've probably benefitted by many traditional barbers having retired and their children deciding not to take over.
At least that's how I found it where I lived and moved to. I started to wonder if it was something I said as they kept closing up shop!
The new generation of barber shops are so much more expensive, but are always packed out.
Plumbing being a reasonably skilled profession, though.
What is sometimes overlooked in discussing the number of Eastern Europeans who took work in the skilled trades is the fact that the "native" British workers in those professions had something of a habit of emigrating to Australia and New Zealand and the like.
edwin_m
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We have a minimum wage in this country. If you want people to be paid more, just raise that. It would be paid to immigrants too, but if the wage is good enough to attract locals, then immigrants won't come in unless there are enough job vacancies to make it reasonably sure they will find employment. And if that's so then it means there is a labour shortage.
brad465
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Many thought the Unions having the power they did in the 70s was bad, but since then the power swung a very long way from left to right and led to the banks having the bulk of the power, to the point they got bailed out for their own antics in 2008, rather than key instigators of the crash getting arrested, which, as has been pointed out elsewhere, went a long way towards creating Brexit sentiment.
REVUpminster
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Watching two non EU members; Andorra v England (representing the UK). Perhaps Scotland will play with the EU flag proudly on their shirts.
Why not. They voted to Remain, and they continue to display the EU flag at the Scottish Parliament.