Brexit matters

[317 forever]

No, surely they should be flocking to Bognor Regis, Scarborough and Barry Island.

Leave voters could go to Bognor or Scarborough but should not go to Barry Island. It is in the Vale of Glamorgan which to their horror voted Remain.

 

[Revilo]

The parliamentary constituency voted leave 52%, so we can be safe there!

 

[najaB]

Here we go...

Loyalist paramilitary groups have told the British and Irish governments they are withdrawing support for the Good Friday agreement in protest at Northern Ireland’s Irish Sea trade border with the rest of the UK.

The Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group that represents the views of the UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commando, wrote a letter to Boris Johnson and Ireland’s taoiseach, Micheál Martin, warning of “permanent destruction” of the 1998 peace agreement without changes to post-Brexit arrangements for Northern Ireland.

Brexit: loyalist paramilitary groups renounce Good Friday agreement

Loyalist Communities Council warns of ‘strength of feeling’ over border checks but says protests should stay peaceful

www.theguardian.com

 

[AlterEgo]

I'd like to congratulate every supposed liberal who is now amplifying the views of banned paramilitary groups and lending them relevancy and legitimacy.

The DUP - which of course voted for Brexit and now realises the NI protocol isn't to their taste - held a meeting with the LCC banned paramilitary groups just a few days ago. Quelle surprise.

 

[najaB]

I'd like to congratulate every supposed liberal who is now amplifying the views of banned paramilitary groups and lending them relevancy and legitimacy.

The thing is, while it's true that this announcement is a political ploy, it does have real-world implications. For one thing, it pushes any USA/UK trade deal even further into the long grass. And while nobody expects a return to the worst of The Troubles, there is still a lot of simmering resentment among some former paramilitaries and it wouldn't take much to completely derail further investment into Northern Ireland.

 

[class ep-09]

I bet UK food industry is happy with 60%+ drop in sales to EU due to red tape , all while UK moved introduction of food checks for EU producers has been moved to 2022.

That gives massive advantage to EU producers over UK’s.

I am sure that is what they voted for ( most farmers wanted brexit )

 

[Spamcan81]

I bet UK food industry is happy with 60%+ drop in sales to EU due to red tape , all while UK moved introduction of food checks for EU producers has been moved to 2022.

That gives massive advantage to EU producers over UK’s.

I am sure that is what they voted for ( most farmers wanted brexit )

And still we wait for Brexiteers to explain how this is "a good thing".

 

[Typhoon]

Interesting discussion on The Bottom Line (R4 - available on BBC Sounds) yesterday (11/03 - repeated 13/03 at 17:30). Three small businesses participated, two had set up set up subsidies in the EU (so more employment for EU residents); the other was a food producer, appears to have ditched EU countries completely because of the paperwork and is trying to export to the US. Interestingly, one that set up a subsidy in the Netherlands remarked on how helpful the Dutch were when it came to the process; there were no such compliments for HMG. I suspect that the plight of many of those weighed down with new regulations has not been helped by any real support from those they would expect to be the first to offer it. (Speeches in Parliament/ whinging newspaper articles are not support).

 

[REVUpminster]

All the Brexiteers will go abroad as it's so cheap. £1.17 against the euro. Pre January it was £1.10

 

[najaB]

All the Brexiteers will go abroad as it's so cheap. £1.17 against the euro. Pre January it was £1.10

So about where it was in April last year. And down from 1.29 just before the referendum.

 

[class ep-09]

So about where
it was in April last year. And down from 1.29 just before the referendum.

No doubt, it is a sign of Euro and EU collapsing imminently very, very soon . Lol

 

[najaB]

No doubt, it is a sign of Euro and EU collapsing imminently very, very soon . Lol

I'd say sterling is more at risk over then next five years than the Euro.

 

[REVUpminster]

I remember when 10 shillings got you one dollar.

 

[birchesgreen]

I remember when 10p could get you a big bag of sweets.

 

[VauxhallandI]

I remember when this forum was all fields

 

[radamfi]

What happened to the negotiations between the UK and Switzerland and Iceland regarding reciprocal healthcare?

 

[XAM2175]

These two items from last month seem to have slipped through the net:

Brexit Bites the Falkland Islands’ Calamari

Local officials are considering breaking ranks with the UK Government and asking the EU for help, reports David Hencke

bylinetimes.com

The main export of the Falkland Islands economy, the Loligo squid – which is processed into more familiar calamari for millions of EU customers – has become a casualty of Brexit.

Unlike the row over UK fishing waters, British negotiators failed to even entertain the rights of Falkland Islands fishermen when the EU refused to discuss tariff-free trade for any of Britain’s overseas territories.

As a result, from 1 January, the EU imposed swingeing food tariffs on all products produced by British overseas territories. They range from 6-18% on fish to 42% on lamb.
...
The squid accounts for more than half of the island’s exports, which are caught by state-of-the-art fishing boats in a joint enterprise with Spain and processed in Vigo, north-west Spain, before being distributed across the Mediterranean.
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Barkman said that the 42% tariff on Falklands lamb – there are 500,000 sheep on the island, compared to a human population of roughly 3,000 – has completely killed its EU market, causing hardship for farmers. The UK has said that the farmers could export their lamb to the UK tariff-free – but there are concerns that it could not compete with home-grown Welsh and Scottish lamb.

Barkman pointed out that the Islanders are not able to negotiate directly with the EU, as the UK handles its foreign affairs – but that many are now tempted to ask Spain to intervene, particularly as processing workers in Vigo could lose their jobs if exports from the Falklands are cut.
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The Isle of Man's opt-out from UK's disastrous fishing agreement with EU

The London Economic - In 2019 Boris Johnson used Isle of Man kippers to claim the EU was behind 'pointless and damaging' red tape - News

www.thelondoneconomic.com

The Isle of Man successfully jettisoned itself from the UK’s disastrous fisheries deal during the Brexit process thanks to its position as a British Crown Dependency. Individual discussions with Brussels opened up avenues to allow EU vessels to fish in their waters as well as exempt certain exports that have put other regions in difficulty.

The industry is worth £20 million to the island annually.

Environment, food and agriculture minister Geoffrey Boot said maintaining access to EU markets for those products was a “key factor” for the island as it is “where 80 per cent of our catch goes” before the transition ended last year.
...

 

[najaB]

These two items from last month seem to have slipped through the net:

The squid accounts for more than half of the island’s exports, which are caught by state-of-the-art fishing boats in a joint enterprise with Spain and processed in Vigo, north-west Spain, before being distributed across the Mediterranean.

I suppose one way around this might be to sell the squid to company located in a third-party country that the EU does have a tariff-free arrangement with and then sell them to a Spanish company for processing. Oh, wait, I thought Brexit was about reducing red tape...

 

[XAM2175]

I suppose one way around this might be to sell the squid to company located in a third-party country that the EU does have a tariff-free arrangement with and then sell them to a Spanish company for processing. Oh, wait, I thought Brexit was about reducing red tape...

I reckon that'd still fall foul of the country-of-origin rules.

Have to love the suggestion that Falklands lamb producers can replace the EU market by selling into GB, which totally isn't also struggling to adjust to losing the EU market.

 

[najaB]

I reckon that'd still fall foul of the country-of-origin rules.

There's a very large Japanese community in Brasil, maybe they can try to sell into that market.

Have to love the suggestion that Falklands lamb producers can replace the EU market by selling into GB

Which, famously, doesn't produce lamb...

It's post-Brexit trade in a nutshell: producers of physical goods are always going to be at a disadvantage doing trade with markets thousands of km away as compared to markets on their doorstep. Now if only someone had pointed this out years ago.

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So, about taking control of our borders:

The U.K. government is drawing up a plan to postpone new border checks on food imports from the European Union to reduce the risk of disruption to supplies this summer.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s officials are reviewing the timetable for the introduction of the paperwork rules, which are due to come into force from April 1, as he seeks to address what he called “teething problems” with Brexit.

Britain has so far taken a light-touch approach to imports from the EU since it left the bloc’s market at the start of the year, waiving customs requirements and allowing goods to enter freely. In contrast, the EU imposed full border controls on trade going the other way on Jan. 1, causing delays to shipments and a decline in freight volumes.

Brexit ‘Teething Problems’ Push U.K. to Postpone Border Checks

The U.K. government is drawing up a plan to postpone new border checks on food imports from the European Union to reduce the risk of disruption to supplies this summer.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[class ep-09]

There's a very large Japanese community in Brasil, maybe they can try to sell into that market.

Which, famously, doesn't produce lamb...

It's post-Brexit trade in a nutshell: producers of physical goods are always going to be at a disadvantage doing trade with markets thousands of km away as compared to markets on their doorstep. Now if only someone had pointed this out years ago.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 13 Mar 2021 ==

So, about taking control of our borders:

Brexit ‘Teething Problems’ Push U.K. to Postpone Border Checks

The U.K. government is drawing up a plan to postpone new border checks on food imports from the European Union to reduce the risk of disruption to supplies this summer.

www.bloomberg.com

Taking back control of the borders by keeping them wide open .

I wonder how to square that circle.

 

[REVUpminster]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Perhaps they think all the elderly Brexiteers will die of blood clots. The elderly who were young when they were given the chance to vote to remain in the Common Market but not the Maastricht treaty and have lived through the last 40 years. I wonder if the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) will stop holidaymakers who have had the Oxford vaccine in favour of the profit making Phizer vaccine.

 

[class ep-09]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Perhaps they think all the elderly Brexiteers will die of blood clots. The elderly who were young when they were given the chance to vote to remain in the Common Market but not the Maastricht treaty and have lived through the last 40 years. I wonder if the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) will stop holidaymakers who have had the Oxford vaccine in favour of the profit making Phizer vaccine.

Jeeeez , if that is how much you moan after winning , I can’t imagine how much you would moan if you lost .

Brexiters are biggest snowflakes , I have ever met.
In my mind they are bunch of pub bores that no one is interested to listening , what they have to say, but everyone hast to listen to because they shout the loudest .

Brexiters are remarkably quiet about the shi..t show this government presided during the entire pandemic.
They only could not screw up one thing:
vaccination .
That is because it was left to make and roll out to the professionals.

Are you proud of 60% of drop in exports to the EU of food products and 40%+ overall ?
Are you proud of £37bil of our money spend on tracing system that does not work?
Are you proud of 125+ thousand dead, that this government presided over ( before you say : “they are trying their best” - compare that to S Korea , where number of dead is below 10).

BTW: there is no way even brexiters would prefer Blackpool or Skegness to Malaga or Crete to spend their holidays .

Fish , chips coup of tee, bad weather , worse food and Marry Fu...ing Poppins does not compare at all .

 

[YorkshireBear]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Perhaps they think all the elderly Brexiteers will die of blood clots. The elderly who were young when they were given the chance to vote to remain in the Common Market but not the Maastricht treaty and have lived through the last 40 years. I wonder if the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) will stop holidaymakers who have had the Oxford vaccine in favour of the profit making Phizer vaccine.

What would you like us to say?

Many people who voted remain, the normal ones anyway, are well aware of the EUs faults and happily discuss them. I do, god they make some terrible decisions. But I chose to remain on balance, not because i think they are perfect and untouchable. I chose to remain on balance as I believed maintaing good trade and relations with your closest neighbour was a positive long term thing, as opposed to today's news that we are aligning our foreign policy with Australia Japan and India. Great, but they are thousands of miles away....

In covid threads I have discussed how the EU have mucked up. So how quiet do you want me to be? Do you want me to post my criticism of the EU in every thread so that you see it?

 

[JonathanP]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Perhaps they think all the elderly Brexiteers will die of blood clots. The elderly who were young when they were given the chance to vote to remain in the Common Market but not the Maastricht treaty and have lived through the last 40 years. I wonder if the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) will stop holidaymakers who have had the Oxford vaccine in favour of the profit making Phizer vaccine.

I don't think the Vaccine situation has any relevance here.

Britain could, and probably would have opted out of the all-EU purchasing scheme which seems to have caused most of the problems. They could also have issued their own emergency authorization before the European one.

None of it makes the present problems regarding trade any more tolerable or justifiable.

I am suprised that there has been no mention on this thread that the EU is now launching legal action against the UK as a result of the UK unilaterally modifying the Northern Ireland Protocol by postponing the implementation date. The situation there really does not look good at all. Has this not been reported at all in the UK?

 

[21C101]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Perhaps they think all the elderly Brexiteers will die of blood clots. The elderly who were young when they were given the chance to vote to remain in the Common Market but not the Maastricht treaty and have lived through the last 40 years. I wonder if the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) will stop holidaymakers who have had the Oxford vaccine in favour of the profit making Phizer vaccine.

At this rate there won't be any holidaymakers as they will all be on full lockdown all summer while they beg Vladimir for Russian vaccines.

What a total horlicks, thank goodness we left when we did.




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I am suprised that there has been no mention on this thread that the EU is now launching legal action against the UK as a result of the UK unilaterally modifying the Northern Ireland Protocol by postponing the implementation date. The situation there really does not look good at all. Has this not been reported at all in the UK?

Yes it has and it is one reason Boris tories are 10 points clear in the latest opinion polls. The EUs so-called court of justice is of no interest to the UK as it is of no effect here. They can get stuffed.

They also aeem to have forgotten the requirement for such controls to be proportionate to the risk. As they are manifestly disproportionate then the UK is quite within its rights to do what it is doing.

 

[JonathanP]

Why?

Do you think not being in the EU has helped the UK's vaccine situation? How?

What has not being in the EU enabled the UK to do regarding vaccines that it could not have done from within the EU?

 

[nlogax]

Remainers are remarkably quiet over the latest Euro vaccine fiasco. first blame the UK, then the vaccine manufacturers, now the vaccine to explain slow roll out.

Quit being daft. I suggest you check out the Coronavirus threads. Plenty of discussion about it there..may be hard for you to hear but there's a lot of acceptance across pro and anti Brexit sorts that the EU have screwed up in a fairly big way re. vaccine rollouts. I think we all get that.

Has this not been reported at all in the UK?

This has been widely reported but I suspect it's being roundly ignored by many Brexit aficionados, alongside all the other 'good news' stories we're currently seeing re. European trade.

 

[JonathanP]

Yes it has and it is one reason Boris tories are 10 points clear in the latest opinion polls. The EUs so-called court of justice is of no interest to the UK as it is of no effect here. They can get stuffed.

Yes, I see what you mean. Britain is now a completeley independent sovereign nation, arguably the greatest nation in the world, and everybody else can stick it where the sun don't shine.

I mean, imagine if Britain was reliant on electricity imports from the EU to keep it's electricity grid from blacking out, and reliant on food imports from the EU to feed itself, then it would be completely screwed if the EU decided to impose any kind of sanctions, so it's a good job none of that is the case.

Oh wait...

 

[Domh245]

The EUs so-called court of justice is of no interest to the UK as it is of no effect here. They can get stuffed.

Apart from the fact that "we" agreed for the ECJ to have jurisdiction over the NI protocol. "United" kingdom this is not

What has not being in the EU enabled the UK to do regarding vaccines that it could not have done from within the EU?

The sad thing is to think about this the other way around as well - what would the UK remaining in the EU have done for the rollout of vaccines there, I suspect many of the issues we've seen would have been lessened.