The question was, are people being impacted by Brexit? People who buy online with small retailers abroad clearly are. Without Brexit, this wouldn't have happened. There is no misrepresentation here.
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The question was, are people being impacted by Brexit? People who buy online with small retailers abroad clearly are. Without Brexit, this wouldn't have happened. There is no misrepresentation here.
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Agreed. I found all the copyright stuff he had appended to it amusing.
ABB125
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I saw somewhere in a news article about companies no longer sending stuff to Britain that one company was claiming to serve every country in the world except for the UK. What is different about all the countries not in the EU, and the UK?
Yes and no. HMRC changing the rules was coincidental with Brexit. Before they changed the rules then on Brexit EU traders would have sold the goods VAT-free and the importer would have been liable for VAT and duty. If we'd stayed in the EU then these rules would have come into effect in July, so retailers outside the EU would have had exactly the same problem.
The EU has been shifting the rules about what VAT rates apply in the past even for sales inside the single market. Previously everything was done on the seller's rate which encouraged traders to locate in countries like Luxembourg. But in 2015 for Digital sales (e.g. ebooks) the rules changed so you charge the VAT of the consumer's country.
eoff
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I don't see how they could know unless there is a requirement to quote a UK VAT number on the customs declaration.
Yep I think having the odd parcel turn up from an obscure supplier in Germany a bit quicker is so much more important than national self determination.
Funnily enough I'm in that position now. They pulled the product from Amazon so I just went on their website in Germany and bought it direct in Euros on the 29th and they posted it with DHL and sent the tracking details.
It is taking a while, but that is not unexpected at this time of year.
I am a little worried that if it is very late I might get strange urges to write FBPE after my name and vote Liberal Democrat, but I'm sure it will pass.
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The company is run by FBPE types who have an agenda?
The UK is the only country where the seller needs to be set up for VAT in this manner. If he sells to anywhere else in the world outside the EU, the process is simple. He just doesn't charge VAT and the customs/tax etc. is sorted out by the buyer.
People and buisness are absolutley affected by Brexit. However, stating that they have decided not to ship to/from the uk because its uneconomical really is misleading. Many of those on your list will ship the the UK but need time to implement changes and many state that costs would be passed to the customer but they will still ship goods.
I also belive that stating buisnesses will "no longer ship" is also misleading. For many on that list the situation is temporary and they intend to restart as soon as possible.
What I did find slightly disconcerting was that the saddle company makes saddles in the UK but can't ship to the UK :/
That's not correct. If you sell to Australian consumers you have to register with the Australian Tax Office and charge GST which you then send to the ATO. There is a minimum threshold unlike the UK system, but the principle is the same.
https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Int...-on-low-value-imported-goods/Who-charges-GST/
ABB125
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So why hasn't Britain implemented a minimum threshold like that? From a logistical point of view, an amount equal to the threshold for import duty (I think I read this is around £135?) would be sensible, although that might well reduce the effectiveness of the "reduce VAT fraud" principle behind the change?
I have acknowledged them. No doubt there will be more. Again, to state they have chosen that option because its uneconomical is misleading. Please feel free to upload another list of companies stagint that because its uneconomical to ship and will no longer (as in never) ship to the EU or UK. To reitterate. I have no doubts there will be some.
Poorly representing what is actually happening is part of what has got us into this mess.
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I recall the remainers denouncing the government for not joining the EU joint coronavirus vaccine scheme as typical British Exceptonalism which would put lives at risk.
Funnily enough I haven't heard much about EU and vaccines lately. Large parts of French and German media is discussing little else at the moment for some reason.
UK 947,000 so far
Germany 165,000 so far (despite being the primary manufacturer)
France less than four hundred nationwide.
In particular there is fury in Germany that they have manufactured in Germany millions of Pfizer vaccines that are virtually all being exported because the EU under French pressure opted for a French Vaccine which has hit problems and won't be available for months.
Funnily enough I haven't heard much about EU and vaccines lately. Large parts of French and German media is discussing little else at the moment for some reason.
UK 947,000 so far
Germany 165,000 so far (despite being the primary manufacturer)
France less than four hundred nationwide.
In particular there is fury in Germany that they have manufactured in Germany millions of Pfizer vaccines that are virtually all being exported because the EU under French pressure opted for a French Vaccine which has hit problems and won't be available for months.
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nlogax
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As heard on the radio this evening,
Germany - about 1m vaccinated so far
France, about 3,000
It's almost like they're their own sovereign countries who proceed at their individual pace due to their own national rules. Funny that.
Sorry but that is wrong, nowhere near that figure have been vaccined. Germany are part of the EU scheme. There is fury at Merkel over this.
This German source reports the German Government giving a figure of 265.000 as of yesterday and confirms that Germany are getting vaccines via the EU.
Germany defends joint EU vaccination strategy – DW – 01/04/2021
Amid pressure to speed up inoculation, German officials are looking into stretching their supply of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine to get more shots.
m.dw.com
This source indicates the growing fury over this:
"The European Commission has bungled the process of procuring enough vaccine doses and approving them for use across the bloc, according to Markus Söder, the leader of Germany's Christian Social Union.
"Obviously, the European purchasing procedure was inadequate,” said Söder, who leads the state of Bavaria, in an interview with Bild am Sonntag. “It is difficult to explain that a very good vaccine is developed in Germany but is vaccinated more quickly elsewhere.”
His comments underscore the uproar over the perceived slow pace of the EU's own vaccine approval system, which meant the BioNTech/Pfizer dose developed in Germany had been in use outside the bloc for weeks before it was given the green light at home.
"The European Commission has probably planned too bureaucratically: too few of the right ones have been ordered and price debates have gone on for too long,” said Söder of the delays.
Germany’s Söder blasts Brussels over vaccine failings
The EU vaccine plan was ‘inadequate,’ according to Bavarian leader.
www.politico.eu
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nlogax
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You're quite right about my error, I'm sorry. I heard a figure of a million vaccinations on R4 news this evening - maybe I misheard. The actual number is 100k higher than you'd quoted, and this was by yesterday.
As for France - their rollout woes are nothing to do with any EU policy. French vaccination attempts have always been beset with woes, with a very high percentage of anti-vaxxers in the French population. That and a far, far too cautious approach by the French government. The doses are there, the program and the demand not so much.
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Are you sure you want to start comparing factual statistics in relation to COVID response ?
Perhaps, it escaped your attention that UK has one of the worst in the whole world responses to ANYTHING related to the pandemic.
Including economical consequences of clown show ( HMG) being in charge.
The situation in the EU in relation to vaccines is due to the purchases being made in wide market of potential vaccine candidates , that not necessary got the approval yet .
Simple luck that UK could purchase vaccines that were effective / approved first .
BTW British medicine agency that approved vaccines, follows EU medicine agency rules to the letter in the process of approving any drugs .
These rules are one of the best if not the best in the world.
In which case, if the UK had done so, there is not much excuse for the EU taking far longer to approve it and then accusing the UK of cutting corners.
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There's a lot more to a vaccination campaign than supply. Note that the US had something like 30 million doses available at the start of their campaign some three weeks ago, yet they've yet to hit 4 million people vaccinated (vice the plan to have 20 million by Dec 31st).
The simple fact is that the UK has an advantage over Germany or France because we have the NHS which makes coordinating the campaign a lot easier
edwin_m
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Every EU member state has the authority to approve medicines for emergency use within its own country without waiting for EU-wide approval - and indeed we were still under EU rules when that happened. So the UK could have started vaccinating in exactly the same way if we'd still been a member.
Wow you really really hate the EU don’t you. This sounds like a pathological hatred of the likes that the EU was originally set up to ensure that wars did not start up again post WW2. I am not going to bother to explain why the likes of France have issues in getting this vaccine rolled out as your hatred blinds you to facts in this matter. The EU is far from perfect, and there is a lot I would change about it but at the end of the day the single market and customs union are perfect for economic prosperity with goods and people flowing freely around the bloc without borders. I read a blog post from an ardent Brexiteer like yourself only his hatred of the EU was not quite as virulent as yours. He said that now Brexit had properly happened the UK Govt needed a big win by getting trade deal with a big economy like China or the US. Is that the same China that the EU has just done a trade deal with?? So if we had not left the EU we would have a trade deal with China already, which is predicted to be the biggest economy in the world in the next few years. Unless the UK Govt can get a trade deal with China on better terms than the EU or they can somehow manage to conjure up a deal with the US that isn’t detrimental to the UK then straight away the EU has one over on us.
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EU’s, UK’s, US and many other countries medicine agencies are fully independent of any political pressures ( though I am sure they recognise the severity of the situation) , and can take as much time as they want to approve / disapprove any medication .
Being one of the EU agencies is not equal to be EU ( as a political / trade body ) being responsible for its actions .
Criticism or dislike is not the same thing as hatred, which accusation is wholly uncalled for, silly and ludicrously hyperbolic.
The only thing I have seen bordering on hatred of the EU lately is from Irish fishermens representatives.
"Ireland Brexit fury erupts: Fishing chief rages at Brussels over EU trade deal stitch-up
IRELAND's fishermen are being denied the right to catch fish in their own waters as a result of the EU's trade deal with the UK, a fishing boss has said in a diatribe against both the bloc and his own domestic leaders."
Ireland Brexit fury erupts: Fishing chief rages at Brussels
IRELAND's fishermen are being denied the right to catch fish in their own waters as a result of the EU's trade deal with the UK, a fishing boss has said in a diatribe against both the bloc and his own domestic leaders.
www.express.co.uk
Might I suggest re-reading some of your own posts?
Making claims that criticism or even dislike is hatred in an unpleasant but sadly increasingly common tactic on social media. I interpret it as primarily an admission of defeat on the point being debated.
I actually find it rather funny that the likes of the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Farage and so forth are predicting the imminent collapse of the EU. Yet they all say that trade deals with the likes of China is crucial. The EU has just agreed to a trade deal with China after multiple years of negotiations. If the UK manages to join the CTPP then it will be agreeing to abide by rules it had no say in the creation of. The rhetoric I get is that Brexiteers just hate the EU so much that they are willing to sacrifice sovereignty to get deals anywhere else in the world just so long as it results in the UK sticking two fingers up at Brussels.
nlogax
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I wouldn't apply that as some broad generalisation to all Brexiteers, but the more vocal ones seem quite shouty and of the 'standing atop Dover cliffs flicking v-signs' variety for no good reason other than to rouse some sort of pitchfork mob. Dumb as rocks.
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It's absolutely extraordinary that you think an article in the Daily Express regarding the EU is even vaguely accurate. They've been railing against the EU with blatant falsehoods for nearly 50 years, and in terms of the quality of it's journalism, the paper is virtually a comic. It isn't nicknamed the Daily Ex-Princess for nothing.Criticism or dislike is not the same thing as hatred, which accusation is wholly uncalled for, silly and ludicrously hyperbolic.
The only thing I have seen bordering on hatred of the EU lately is from Irish fishermens representatives.
"Ireland Brexit fury erupts: Fishing chief rages at Brussels over EU trade deal stitch-up
IRELAND's fishermen are being denied the right to catch fish in their own waters as a result of the EU's trade deal with the UK, a fishing boss has said in a diatribe against both the bloc and his own domestic leaders."
Ireland Brexit fury erupts: Fishing chief rages at Brussels
IRELAND's fishermen are being denied the right to catch fish in their own waters as a result of the EU's trade deal with the UK, a fishing boss has said in a diatribe against both the bloc and his own domestic leaders.
I see a Top Lawyer has told MP's that the EU deal is unstable, in the sense that it can be terminated in 12 months, and subject to Tariff's in the event of disputes, and such that may make companies looking at long term investments into the UK such a Car Company investing in an Electric Car plant be somewhat reticent, certainly If I was a company looking a European base I would see little point in coming to the UK unless it was in an area that the UK had far more expertise than any other EU country.