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badzena

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Hey all,

I'm planning to travel from Hull to Liverpool on the 18th Feb, returning 19th.

My query is about the return. I want to travel back from Liverpool to Manchester on the 18th in the evening and stay in Manc overnight. I then wish to travel from Manchester to Hull on the morning of the 19th. Am I able to break my journey in this fashion with an Off Peak Return ticket?
 
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Break of journey is always permitted on the return portion of every ticket that I'm aware of.

The return portion of an Off Peak Return (without the 'Day' suffix) is valid for 1 month.

So yes that's fine.

However it can cheaper to split the ticket at Manchester anyway.

Hull - Liverpool is £54.50 Outward: Any train due to arrive Liverpool at or after 0930, Return: Any train


Hull - Manchester is £34.80 Outward: Any train due to arrive Manchester at or after 0930*, Return: Any train
Manchester-Liverpool is £12.20 Outward: Any train due to arrive Liverpool at or after 0930, Return: Any train
Total = £47.00
* (This is valid on the 0733 from Hull)

If you want to get the 0600 from Hull, then get a Capenhurst ticket, this is valid on any train.
 

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Hey all,

I'm planning to travel from Hull to Liverpool on the 18th Feb, returning 19th.

My query is about the return. I want to travel back from Liverpool to Manchester on the 18th in the evening and stay in Manc overnight. I then wish to travel from Manchester to Hull on the morning of the 19th. Am I able to break my journey in this fashion with an Off Peak Return ticket?

A break of journey is permitted on both the outward and return portions (on nearly all off-peak and anytime tickets). However, the outward portion is only valid for a day, so if you wanted to break the outward journey you would have to resume travel by 12pm with no further break of journey (unless it were an anytime return, then it is valid for 5 days, and thus permitted). The return portion is valid for a month so an overnight break would be fine (although you'll likely have to explain yourself a few times if someone thinks you are reusing a ticket fraudulently).

In answer to your question, yes.

SVR - OFF-PEAK R TPE
00000 - ANY PERMITTED

1 Adult @£ 54.50 = £ 54.50
[...]
RETURN TRAVEL
By any train.
[...]
Return Validity:-
Day - ONE CALENDAR MONTH
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
(RTN) YES
 
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On the forum, a recurring theme of fare advice is ticket splitting. The above on here refers to buying a ticket from Hull to Manchester, then another from Manchester to Liverpool. Cheaper than through Hull to Liverpool ticket.

How do you go about finding cheaper ticket splitting fares?

For instance, do you just pick a station at random en route between your origin and destination and then do fares in and out of this station? Or is a bit more scientific ? How often does this approach work ?
 

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That is basically it, although there are ways which I understand but do not fully know about which TOC sets the ticket price. Take for example you are going A to B via C. TOC X sets the price for A to B, but TOC Y may set the price for B to C, and this price could be cheaper. So in this case you could buy two tickets (A to C and C to B) which would be cheaper than an A to B ticket.

Sorry if I have confused you with A/B/C! Someone may have a real example in a bit.
 

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How do you go about finding cheaper ticket splitting fares?
Use Avantix Traveller NFM05.
For instance, do you just pick a station at random en route between your origin and destination and then do fares in and out of this station? Or is a bit more scientific ? How often does this approach work ?
Well, I wouldn't pick one at random. I'd pick one based on suitable calling patterns. e.g. York - London all zones day return is good for splitting at either Newark or Grantham but you'd need to look at the timetable first.

I will quite often look for the 'optimum' ticket(s) that gets the best value, I'd say that it is rare that it is best to buy a simple A to B ticket and get good value, it is better usually to either split or buy beyond your destination.

I don't want to give too many examples of excellent tickets away in one place, so I'll send you a PM ;)

Edit: PM sent

Here's an example of a bad ticket:
Church Fenton to Morecambe SOR £59.30 SVR £46.90
And here's an example of a good ticket:
Micklefield to Morecambe SOR £24.80 SDR £21.10

£25 for Micklefield - Church Fenton eh? You could hire several taxis for that.

Do your research. Know your rights. Get a good deal. Anyone who pays the higher price and realises afterwards would feel like they've been robbed, and rightly so, but sadly there is very little (usually nothing) that can be done after the event. A kind guard may advise a passenger of the above fares however they are not supposed to, and indeed risk a 'telling off' if found out!

Happy splitting! (but don't forget it's sometimes cheaper to pay to go further!)
 
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It is good to do at Swansea because you have time while the train is in the terminus to run out and buy the second ticket and get back on the same service if you're quick!
 

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Exaclty, or if you can, buy them all on the net. Saves the hassle of having to explain what tickets you need at the booking office or when on the train.
 

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If I want loads of tickets I sometimes produce a list and hand it to them, I've produced screenshots from Avantix before when it's a lot of people and a complicated query (e.g. Peterborough-All Zones/Boundary Zone 6 to wherevere for x number of adults and x number of children with x railcards)
 

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I had a list of times from the internet and handed it in at Newcastle. The woman handed the list back to me and asked me to read it out, but asked this in a rather flippant manner. Therefore the internet gets most of my business these days.
 
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