Break of Journey or not?

[ffm]

That definition hasn't formed part of the contract for over a year now - the NRCoC are no more - and for all we know a court might fall back on using a dictionary definition now and that might even allow for considerably more flexible interpretations. Really, the industry should just give up on trying to impose very-difficult-to-enforce restrictions like these.

Good point about NRoC and replacement by NRoT - this isn't in there now, but as you say I would doubt any legal process would find that stopping on a station counts as a break of the journey, the journey wasn't broken, only a period of waiting around happended. A break is going off somewhere and returning, journey stopped completely anmd restarted

 

[AlterEgo]

Good point about NRoC and replacement by NRoT - this isn't in there now, but as you say I would doubt any legal process would find that stopping on a station counts as a break of the journey, the journey wasn't broken, only a period of waiting around happended. A break is going off somewhere and returning, journey stopped completely anmd restarted

Even more curiously, “journey” is still undefined in the NRCoC. You can’t possibly know what a break of journey is until you know what a journey is!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Good point about NRoC and replacement by NRoT - this isn't in there now, but as you say I would doubt any legal process would find that stopping on a station counts as a break of the journey, the journey wasn't broken, only a period of waiting around happended. A break is going off somewhere and returning, journey stopped completely anmd restarted

I'm not sure I agree. Changing unnecessarily is in layman's terms breaking your journey - stopping it through choice for a period of time.

However, most BoJ restrictions say "break of journey is not permitted except to change trains or access station services", or somesuch. This one, however, does not, it simply says "break of journey is not permitted". That difference would give further weight to the suggestion that an unnecessary change is a break of journey.

I very much doubt a Court would consider an outdated document (NRCoC) in making their determination.

Another example is the Lancaster one which says:
"Break of Journey not allowed,
except to change trains."

Different again.

 

[nanstallon]

Isn't this all rather pathetic? You need to be a lawyer to just take a train ride; many will say 'stuff it, I'll drive'. You don't then get these silly arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

 

[nedchester]

And the return half of a Flint to London off-peak you can use all services out of London in the evening peak (except the 16:10) and break your journey wherever you like........

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

And the return half of a Flint to London off-peak you can use all services out of London in the evening peak (except the 16:10) and break your journey wherever you like........

I have, on occasion, returned from London on the return half of a Flint YK ticket, via Oxford and Birmingham to Crewe.
I then found myself boarding the 1749 to Flint, which is in fact the "banned" 1610 from Euston!
There were no ticket checks, so it never came to a head, but I did wonder if I was nominally breaking the rules.
I'm pretty sure the purpose of the 1610 restriction is to prevent cheap tickets being used out of Euston on that single Voyager.​

 

[nedchester]

I'm pretty sure the purpose of the 1610 restriction is to prevent cheap tickets being used out of Euston on that single Voyager.​

It is and that is a sensible restriction.

 

[Gareth Marston]

Saw the gentlemen concerned in week he's still not heard from Virgin.

 

[krus_aragon]

I have, on occasion, returned from London on the return half of a Flint YK ticket, via Oxford and Birmingham to Crewe.
I then found myself boarding the 1749 to Flint, which is in fact the "banned" 1610 from Euston!
There were no ticket checks, so it never came to a head, but I did wonder if I was nominally breaking the rules.
I'm pretty sure the purpose of the 1610 restriction is to prevent cheap tickets being used out of Euston on that single Voyager.​

I've done something similar on a restriction VK ticket (is that the one you meant too?). Leaving Euston on a Pendolino, we were late into Crewe (missing the Arriva shuttle) and I caught the next service, which happened to be the 1610 ex-Euston. Again, no ticket checks, so the matter didn't arise.

Looking at the restriction on BRfares, "Not valid on trains timed to depart: London Euston after 04:29 until 09:05 but not valid on the 16:10 departure" indicates to me that the train is disallowed for the entire journey, but the booking-engine listings at the bottom state the ticket is invalid on the 1610 "except for boarding at MILTON KEYNES CENTRAL", so the restriction can't apply to that train for the entire journey, can it?

 

[Gareth Marston]

You can shlep up to Milton Keynes on any train and join the 1610 there and use your Flint off peak return.