Shwitters
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Can you break a return journey from Birmingham to Cheltenham by stopping off at University Birmingham?
Yes broadly the case but there are always exceptions so it's worth checking!My understanding is that pretty much any ticket apart from an advance single allows a break in journey.
Yes and yes but barrier are often not well programmed or not actually capable of spotting such things so to be honest I'd have been more surprised if it opened in this situation!In the circumstances, there was no point in continuing the conversation but I assume I must have been in the right and the barrier should have accepted the ticket?
Besides from when I've been doing some weird routes, I'd say 95% of ticket barriers allow me through when I'm breaking my journeyYes and yes but barrier are often not well programmed or not actually capable of spotting such things so to be honest I'd have been more surprised if it opened in this situation!
This is my understanding also.My understanding is that pretty much any ticket apart from an advance single allows a break in journey.
You must have been exceptionally lucky. I would say well below 5% of the time has a ticket barrier ever let me out when the ticket does not end at that specific station and the staff don’t always have the common sense to realise that their station is en-route to somewhere else! I note I had particular difficulty trying to get out of Harrogate station with a York - Leeds single, wanting to get a sandwich from Waitrose before coming back in to get the LNER service, but by the time I came back there was a different staff member on the barriers who didn’t question my ticket!Besides from when I've been doing some weird routes, I'd say 95% of ticket barriers allow me through when I'm breaking my journey
Some off-peak returns have break of journey restrictions, though in practice these are generally only enforced where the ticket provides a loophole around peak restrictoins.My understanding is that pretty much any ticket apart from an advance single allows a break in journey.
Perhaps its a north south thing, as I do most travelling in the south and have never had any issues (mainly on GWR at places like reading, swindon, bristol etc)You must have been exceptionally lucky. I would say well below 5% of the time has a ticket barrier ever let me out when the ticket does not end at that specific station and the staff don’t always have the common sense to realise that their station is en-route to somewhere else! I note I had particular difficulty trying to get out of Harrogate station with a York - Leeds single, wanting to get a sandwich from Waitrose before coming back in to get the LNER service, but by the time I came back there was a different staff member on the barriers who didn’t question my ticket!
Surely at the largest stations on the GWML you would have about the best experience you can have, but I have to say I am yet to visit Swindon and have not left Bristol Temple Meads or Reading, having only passed through Bristol and changed at Reading.Perhaps its a north south thing, as I do most travelling in the south and have never had any issues (mainly on GWR at places like reading, swindon, bristol etc)
Unfortunately the Super Off-Peak Day Returns from Euston are some of these tickets where a break of journey restriction is set on the outward journey, forcing me to actually start my journey at Euston when avoiding London is more direct.Some off-peak returns have break of journey restrictions, though in practice these are generally only enforced where the ticket provides a loophole around peak restrictoins.
Various people have tried to tell me these are a small minority, perhaps that is true overall but as someone who lives in Greater Manchester I find quite a few with break of journey restrictions. Mostly ones where the fare setter is either northern or TFW.
Some off-peak returns have break of journey restrictions, though in practice these are generally only enforced where the ticket provides a loophole around peak restrictoins.
Various people have tried to tell me these are a small minority, perhaps that is true overall but as someone who lives in Greater Manchester I find quite a few with break of journey restrictions. Mostly ones where the fare setter is either northern or TFW.
One other point to note is that you'll need to be on the hourly stopping service to do this. If you can use this train in both directions, you may save money by splitting your ticket at Worcestershire Parkway - especially if you're coming back the same day.Can you break a return journey from Birmingham to Cheltenham by stopping off at University Birmingham?
Couldn't they get any of several per hour New Street - University trains for the first part of the journey, heading to Redditch / Bromsgrove / Hereford? (And then, of course, get the hourly stopping train from University - Cheltenham).One other point to note is that you'll need to be on the hourly stopping service to do this. If you can use this train in both directions, you may save money by splitting your ticket at Worcestershire Parkway - especially if you're coming back the same day.
I bought an off-peak return from Cardiff to Holyhead a few months ago which didn’t permit a break of journey.Yes, TfW is a prolific user of off peak return tickets that, according to some, forbid a break-of-journey. However TfW is an accredited ticket retailer and if buying tickets using their website, I would therefore trust the information that the website gives about such tickets relating to any break-of-journey restrictions, or the lack thereof.
I bought an off-peak return from Cardiff to Holyhead a few months ago which didn’t permit a break of journey.
Legally, it depends on what you are told when you buy your ticket. Practically, I doubt that barrier staff even know about the BoJ restrictions and it's only the larger stations that are barriered anyway.I doubt that that is enforceable.
You may be putting a bit too much faith in the "accredited" status, as different "accredited" retailers give different information in all sorts of ways.However TfW is an accredited ticket retailer and if buying tickets using their website, I would therefore trust the information that the website gives about such tickets relating to any break-of-journey restrictions, or the lack thereof.
I suspect that’s because the gateline software making decisions about magstripe and e-tickets is completely separate.When staying with family in Eastleigh, I travel East Croydon-Clapham-Eastleigh but use a Brighton-Southampton return not via London to save a few bob. On the return journey a paper ticket never works the East Croydon barrier, but I’ve noticed if I use an e-ticket it will open.
You may be putting a bit too much faith in the "accredited" status, as different "accredited" retailers give different information in all sorts of ways.
For instance, someone booking a super off peak return from Birmingham to London via High Wycombe would be told by TfW that break of journey is forbidden on the outward part of the journey, and would be told by Avanti that it isn't. If I wished to break my journey on a journey like that, I wouldn't rely on what TfW says.