Break in journey required?

[The Snap]

If anyone is interested, I ended up buying two off-peak singles (online only) between Stafford and Euston and vice versa.

Thanks.

I'm quite interested in how they were printed out. Did they come as an off-peak return? When I've done this in the past they've printed off as an off peak return (and weekend first)

FYI, they came as two off-peak singles...

 

[bb21]

So you paid the same price for less validity?

 

[The Snap]

Off peak return is valid for 1 month, off peak singles valid on specific days...doesn't matter a toss to me because I'm travelling on specific dates that won't change.

 

[yorkie]

Off peak return is valid for 1 month, off peak singles valid on specific days...doesn't matter a toss to me because I'm travelling on specific dates that won't change.

Several people have booked tickets that they were confident would not change, and then subsequently something has cropped up and they've then not been happy at incurring an admin fee.

I don't think anyone could say that's guaranteed never to happen to them.
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I disagree, and I am sure that others will disagree with you as well. In the case of the excess the original destination should be on a permitted route to the new destination, but after excessing you have a ticket to the new destination and it is permitted routes between the origin and the new destination which are applicable, therefore the route avoiding Stafford would be permitted.

This is absolutely spot-on, and is almost word for word precisely what the Ticketing & Settlement Agreement says:-

“Excess Fare” means a variation in the Rights and Restrictions applicable to a Fare which has the impact of converting that Fare into another Fare”

(my emphasis)

 

[OwlMan]

...........

This is absolutely spot-on, and is almost word for word precisely what the Ticketing & Settlement Agreement says:-
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ticketing and Settlement Agreement
“Excess Fare” means a variation in the Rights and Restrictions applicable to a Fare which has the impact of converting that Fare into another Fare”

(my emphasis)

But it does not say to which fare it is converted.
Fare is defined in the TSA as

“Fare” means the right, exercisable against one or more Operators (and, where applicable, another person or persons), subject to the Rights and Restrictions applicable to it and the payment of the
relevant Price (less any applicable discounts):-
(a) to make one or more journeys on the Network (whether or not together with other rights); or
(b) to carry on such a journey an item of luggage or an animal, where this right does not arise (except on the payment of a fee) under the National Rail Conditions of Carriage or, as the case may be, the CIV Rules or any additional conditions that are applicable, and, where applicable, to obtain other goods or services from an Operator or another person or
persons. However, it does not include an Excess Fare or any rights that are evidenced by a London Concessionary Travel Permit that is issued under the London Concessionary Travel Scheme.

If you buy a ticket from A to B and buy an overdistance excess to C your original ticket has been converted into an A to B to C ticket (which is the new "fare") there is no need for the new fare to be one that is normally available.

The TSA also defines when an excess can be issued (my highlight)

TSA Part II 6.6 (4)
(b) An Excess Fare may only be Sold if it entitles the Purchaser of it to:-
(i) travel via a different route than the one he would otherwise be entitled to use;
(ii) travel at a different time or on a different day than he would otherwise be entitled to travel;
(iii) terminate or break and resume his journey at a Station at which he would not otherwise be entitled to do this;
(iv) use a better class of accommodation;
(v) travel beyond the Station to which the Fare he holds entitles him to travel, but only where he was unable to buy a Fare that entitles him to make such a journey at the Station where and at the time when he started his journey; or
(vi) start his journey at a Station that is on the Permitted Route for the Flow that he is entitled to use, where he would not otherwise be entitled to do this.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

The problem with trying to argue that point Owlman, is that no-one listens.

When this last popped up in a thread, I asked Yorkie to tell me what a "fare" is and he told me it has to be in the fares database, I asked him if he could provide a source for that and he told me that "making up" fares doesn't make sense. I asked him to answer the question and he didn't reply.

Personally I think that says it all, but as we can all see, when it rears it's head again, it's the same argument.

There is a definition for "full fare" in the TSA aswell if anyone is interested, it mentions permanent fares specifically, but of course, "full fare" doesn't appear in the definition of "Excess fare" or "Fare" as we can all see. Probably just an inconvenient truth though, best not quote it really in case it upsets someone.