Borisbuses and paper tickets

[PermitToTravel]

I wonder whether it now will: unless Arriva London South have already recruited for this purpose then I'm doubtful, because they're not advertising the jobs.

Don't TfL employ the conductors?

 

[Busaholic]

Don't TfL employee the conductors?

I'm pretty sure the answer's no, any more than they employ the drivers. When the 9 was converted it was London United who recruited the 'customer assistants' - they in turn get reimbursed by TfL, unless anyone knows differently?

 

[BigVince76]

It is good to see the 453 becomes the 45free again soon, can't wait!

 

[AM9]

So, in summary, unless there are notices on the outside of bus, that expressly state that non-Oyster holders must use the front door, they can use any entrance that is available. No exhortations on any TfL websites or leaflets, are relevant to paper Travelcard holders, especially those purchased from National rail TOCs.
Any court would send TfL or the bus operator away.

 

[Busaholic]

So, in summary, unless there are notices on the outside of bus, that expressly state that non-Oyster holders must use the front door, they can use any entrance that is available. No exhortations on any TfL websites or leaflets, are relevant to paper Travelcard holders, especially those purchased from National rail TOCs.
Any court would send TfL or the bus operator away.

And if on the doors, unreadable as soon as the doors open: if inside the bus, you are expected to push past the 30 standees to get from the back door to see the driver, who would by this time be on the move again? You have a valid ticket, it's completely irrelevant how far you're travelling and you are not just there to provide TfL with accurate statistics.

 

[ModernRailways]

Agreed!



Sorry Arctic Troll it doesn't say that - at least it doesn't on the ones I have seen

Here is the pic..

Hopefully that big sign at every entrance including the rear open platform and announcements and digital displays on board which all are contrary to the website will prevail in any dispute

This post on the first page has an image of the doors and their stickers. Nowhere does it mention that you need to show your paper ticket at the front unless you're paying cash, so now that part is irrelevant.

Does anyone have a more up to date image? Does it still say cash users pay at front?

 

[Deerfold]

Don't TfL employ the conductors?

No. It tenders a route, indicating what services and staffing is required and pays for that with bonus payments (in both directions) depending on performance of the route.

 

[Antman]

Soon I'd hope. Open Boarding works well where random inspections happen frequently. If the chances of being caught are high then people won't risk it!

Open boarding might work in other countries where there is a bit more respect for law and order but not in the UK, hence the need for ticket barriers at so many stations.

In practice you can board the NBFL through any door with a paper ticket.

 

[AM9]

Open boarding might work in other countries where there is a bit more respect for law and order but not in the UK, hence the need for ticket barriers at so many stations.

In practice you can board the NBFL through any door with a paper ticket.

Don't you mean 'where fares are set to encourage public transport use'.