Phoenix
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I think the smoking on a Platform is different and honestly a stupid rule.
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I think the smoking on a Platform is different and honestly a stupid rule.
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Tom B
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It means the rest of us can wait for our train without someone's horrid smoke wafting in your face.
Ahh, so the Met (which is a proper suburban railway with fast services and the widest trains in the country, far wider than tube stock) is fine to drink on then
Zamracene749
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Was also reported in the Times.
This may sound stupid to a politician, but wouldn't it make more sense to simply arrest anyone actually causing bother?
How exactly does criminalising someone minding their own business having a quiet drink alone/with friends stop already lawless thugs from causing trouble?
Why are some people happy to accept the outlawing of an activity that does not cause harm or upset to others? Look at all the current problems around transport photography-I doubt any terrorists have been pulled for taking pics of their favourite locos..
Thousands of people happily consume alcohol on trains everyday without a hint of trouble.
Drink fuelled violence will happen regardless of where the drink was taken.
Why not ban drinking in pubs? There is much more trouble there.
In fact why not ban alcohol altogether?
Then impose a curfew on (eg) teenagers to make the streets safer?
Then impose a total curfew?
Then introduce more CCTV? Perhaps even in private homes-after all if you are not doing wrong, what have you to hide?
Maybe tag everybody?
Then enforce it with soldiers?
Welcome to 1984.
Soon the only people drinking on trains will be the gangs.
PS yes this saddens me. One of my favourite small pleasures is(was) relaxing sitting with a nice beer watching the world go by from a train window.
This may sound stupid to a politician, but wouldn't it make more sense to simply arrest anyone actually causing bother?
How exactly does criminalising someone minding their own business having a quiet drink alone/with friends stop already lawless thugs from causing trouble?
Why are some people happy to accept the outlawing of an activity that does not cause harm or upset to others? Look at all the current problems around transport photography-I doubt any terrorists have been pulled for taking pics of their favourite locos..
Thousands of people happily consume alcohol on trains everyday without a hint of trouble.
Drink fuelled violence will happen regardless of where the drink was taken.
Why not ban drinking in pubs? There is much more trouble there.
In fact why not ban alcohol altogether?
Then impose a curfew on (eg) teenagers to make the streets safer?
Then impose a total curfew?
Then introduce more CCTV? Perhaps even in private homes-after all if you are not doing wrong, what have you to hide?
Maybe tag everybody?
Then enforce it with soldiers?
Welcome to 1984.
Soon the only people drinking on trains will be the gangs.
PS yes this saddens me. One of my favourite small pleasures is(was) relaxing sitting with a nice beer watching the world go by from a train window.
It would involve having police who actually deal with people who are causing bother, rather than pick on easy targets such as photographers. So there is no chance of that, sadly.
Zamracene749
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Very true.
There are many parts of this country that are no go areas now yet we have cops and MPs worrying about happy hours, drinks on trains and people whose bin lids are a few inches open on collection day.
Not to slag off the good cops, there are very many who are frustrated by career criminals laughing in their faces. More power to the police is not the answer though.
Society needs to change.
As has been mentioned, in parts of Europe there is next to no graffiti, no theft, cigarette machines on poorly lit street corners that are untouched by thieves, bicycles left unlocked, no litter, spotless trains. And by the way,all of this with 24 hour drinking at a fraction of UK prices.
Why is Britain not like this?
Is it because of the all too prevalent british culture of the self? Look after no1 and balls to everyone else?
Anyway rant over
There are many parts of this country that are no go areas now yet we have cops and MPs worrying about happy hours, drinks on trains and people whose bin lids are a few inches open on collection day.
Not to slag off the good cops, there are very many who are frustrated by career criminals laughing in their faces. More power to the police is not the answer though.
Society needs to change.
As has been mentioned, in parts of Europe there is next to no graffiti, no theft, cigarette machines on poorly lit street corners that are untouched by thieves, bicycles left unlocked, no litter, spotless trains. And by the way,all of this with 24 hour drinking at a fraction of UK prices.
Why is Britain not like this?
Is it because of the all too prevalent british culture of the self? Look after no1 and balls to everyone else?
Anyway rant over
Biolizard
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I'm going to chime up for the other side and say that I actually agree with this ban. Coming home at night on the Underground sometimes it can feel a bit intimidating when you have, say, a group of drunken blokes in the same carriage as you still holding cans of something, thus getting even more drunk.
Yes it won't necessarily be easy to enforce but it's those who will be most visible with their alcohol drinking (and likely therefore that they will be the worst behaved) that will be caught.
Yes it won't necessarily be easy to enforce but it's those who will be most visible with their alcohol drinking (and likely therefore that they will be the worst behaved) that will be caught.
What you mean like this?
Workers accused of theft or damage could soon find themselves blacklisted on a register to be shared among employers. It will be good for profits but campaigners say innocent people could find it impossible to get another job.
To critics it sounds like a scenario from some Orwellian nightmare.
An online database of workers accused of theft and dishonesty, regardless of whether they have been convicted of any crime, which bosses can access when vetting potential employees.
But this is no dystopian fantasy. Later this month, the National Staff Dismissal Register (NSDR) is expected to go live.
Individuals would be treated as criminals, even though the police have never been contacted
Hannah Reed of the TUC
Organisers say that major companies including Harrods, Selfridges and Reed Managed Services have already signed up to the scheme. By the end of May they will be able to check whether candidates for jobs have faced allegations of stealing, forgery, fraud, damaging company property or causing a loss to their employers and suppliers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7389547.stm
Zamracene749
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Frightening. All it takes is a manager with a grudge to point the finger. Innocent but possibly out of work for life. No right of reply, no defence, no appeal.
Out in the real world, convictions are considered as spent after a few years.
Also, young people make mistakes, people grow up and change.
This could well destroy any incentive amongst criminals to ever 'go straight'- they will simply reason why bother if they are almost guaranteed to be refused employment. Might as well just go burgling for cash if you know you can never get a job......
Out in the real world, convictions are considered as spent after a few years.
Also, young people make mistakes, people grow up and change.
This could well destroy any incentive amongst criminals to ever 'go straight'- they will simply reason why bother if they are almost guaranteed to be refused employment. Might as well just go burgling for cash if you know you can never get a job......
Tom B
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Of course, I presume every individual will have a right to see their record under the DPA.
It is very scary - kind of, conviction without trial. If there were a genuine problem - for example we have an employee who we know has been stealing, it can be alluded to in a reference. Not just put down willy nilly forever.
It is very scary - kind of, conviction without trial. If there were a genuine problem - for example we have an employee who we know has been stealing, it can be alluded to in a reference. Not just put down willy nilly forever.
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