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Do they perform better than units under OLE where there are short gaps between stations?
Yes and No.

BEMUs are heavier due to batteries, so slightly less lively for same size motor equipment than EMUs

But BEMUs can regenerate and store energy in the batteries, whereas EMUs can only do it if the overhead is capable of accepting it, or another train is close enough to use the power. So are better at energy saving when braking or going downhill (although extra weight uses bit more energy to accelerate or go uphill)

If you compare them to diesels, can accelerate as much as twice as fast (depends on unit type), and obviously are much quieter too.

So all depends in which way looking at better
 
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Yes and No.

BEMUs are heavier due to batteries, so slightly less lively for same size motor equipment than EMUs

But BEMUs can regenerate and store energy in the batteries, whereas EMUs can only do it if the overhead is capable of accepting it, or another train is close enough to use the power. So are better at energy saving when braking or going downhill (although extra weight uses bit more energy to accelerate or go uphill)

If you compare them to diesels, can accelerate as much as twice as fast (depends on unit type), and obviously are much quieter too.

So all depends in which way looking at better

It's also important to note that you're not comparing these BEMUs to modern diesel units with electronic transmission and a computer optimising the drivetrain at second intervals, or even something slightly older like a 185 with an enormous amount of horsepower available to get them up the hills quickly.

You're comparing them to 170s, which are sluggish on flat rail at the best of times. The hydraulic transmission of the turbostars basically means you're spinning the engine to heat up oil, they're heavy, and although they're more modern than a 158, they do lack a certain oomph.
 

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BEMUs are heavier due to batteries, so slightly less lively for same size motor equipment than EMUs

Not necessarily. Some ‘straight’ EMUs are ballasted to help adhesion. A BEMU can use batteries for ballast rather than concrete.
 

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Not necessarily. Some ‘straight’ EMUs are ballasted to help adhesion. A BEMU can use batteries for ballast rather than concrete.
Just from memory, I thought that the only EMUs that were ballasted with concrete were the 3rd rail ones which have provision for transformers etc for use under 25kV but don’t have them fitted.
 

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Just from memory, I thought that the only EMUs that were ballasted with concrete were the 3rd rail ones which have provision for transformers etc for use under 25kV but don’t have them fitted.
For electric-only locos, ballasting is more common because modern electrical equipment often isn't heavy enough alone to reach the desirable adhesive weight on the powered axles. For example, an electric-only class 99 equivalent would likely need some.
 

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No, the line was built on the cheap because the BCR was basically a basket case. Even with optimism bias, we had to strip back a couple of elements from the project to get it through a change of government.

Remember that this was the test case, there wasn't any project before this to reference it against. The bill passed in 2008, and there had been several years of studies before that; I first got involved officially in 2003.

Larkhall was still being built when we were doing the final business case in 2005 for the bill, and that was a short electrified stub of a suburban network; the business case for that one was obvious. Same with the Paisley Canal line. It took over a year of negotiations after the Borders Line bill was passed before Airdrie to Bathgate even began building. It took four years after the bill was passed before a single spade hit the ground.

There wasn't another test case, nobody had any idea how the numbers would play out. No big new railway line had really been opened in the UK since the Robin Hood line in the 90s, although there had been the odd reintroduction of short stubs such as Bicester to Oxford. Nobody had decided to go and build anything more than 20 miles, especially not into the deepest darkest countryside.

When I did the original BCRs for the Borders line, we looked at everything. Thoroughly we looked at everything. We spent six months doing option shifting to see if we could figure out a way to justify anything beyond Galashiels. Even the half mile extension to Tweedbank had to be fought for tooth and nail, and that was basically justified on the basis of having space for a second terminating platform which could be used to hide a crippled unit in; the thought of charters was miles away.

We had to get everything through two changes of government, through different councils and through the absolutely awful relationship at the end with a couple of senior Edinburgh city councillors.

The deal we got was that every new piece of infrastructure could be built to double track width or with clearance for wires. But that meant payoffs in other ways, to keep the cost down and the BCR high enough that it didn't just get cancelled. There was a phenomenal amount of goodwill and political support behind it, but politicians are still politicians, and they're answerable to taxpayers.

There were economies, such as a lack of intermediate signal sections on the loops, and the same severe speed restrictions on the bridges down the Gala Valley. It was justified on the basis of 2tph all stops, and so the specification was the bare minimum needed to run that efficiently. Bits were chopped to save money to keep the project moving.

If we had argued for a double tracked, electrified line throughout, the thing would never have been built, or it would have been cancelled halfway. There were economies, and there were a lot of tradeoffs to get it over the line, but it's there, it's getting electrified, and it serves 2tph.

In retrospect, maybe we could have spent more money on it, but we didn't. But without spending the money that we spent, and saving the money we didn't, then it wouldn't have been built, and a decade and a half later, we wouldn't be able to use the line to justify further reopenings.
Many thanks Waverley47 for that history lesson and reality-check. I fear this is straying beyond the scope of this thread, but I'll ask the £350m question (i.e. £294m construction + ~£55m preparation) - at the time you did the analysis, what figure for the total cost was in play? My recollection is that at each major re-announcement of the project, another figure in the tens of millions got added, meaning that the BCR would have been even poorer if the final figure had been known.

Also, although as you say the spec was in important ways stripped down, it's fair to say there were some embellishments such as bowing to local pressure and putting Stow station (my local station) on its awkward original site closer to the village and the lengthy extensions to the platforms at Newtongrange, Galashiels and Tweedbank. Also, there were expensive road improvements linked to the railway which I think were charged to the project, especially at Falahill. Can you put a figure on any of these?

A final tuppence worth from me as a layman, is that given the extensive civil engineering that was required to create a robust trackbed for a single track, the idea of it now being doubled tracked feels like almost another rebuild.
 

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Many thanks Waverley47 for that history lesson and reality-check. I fear this is straying beyond the scope of this thread, but I'll ask the £350m question (i.e. £294m construction + ~£55m preparation)

£142m is the number in my head, likely to be weong but right ballpark I think. IIRC the BCR was a rather convenient 1.01.
 

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It shows that BCR figures are not to be taken literally, given the passenger success of the line. You can't predict human behaviour, it doesn't fit into neat computer calculations. I doubt if any lines would have reopened, if BCR was taken as gospel, set in stone.
 

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Many thanks Waverley47 for that history lesson and reality-check. I fear this is straying beyond the scope of this thread, but I'll ask the £350m question (i.e. £294m construction + ~£55m preparation) - at the time you did the analysis, what figure for the total cost was in play? My recollection is that at each major re-announcement of the project, another figure in the tens of millions got added, meaning that the BCR would have been even poorer if the final figure had been known.

Also, although as you say the spec was in important ways stripped down, it's fair to say there were some embellishments such as bowing to local pressure and putting Stow station (my local station) on its awkward original site closer to the village and the lengthy extensions to the platforms at Newtongrange, Galashiels and Tweedbank. Also, there were expensive road improvements linked to the railway which I think were charged to the project, especially at Falahill. Can you put a figure on any of these?

A final tuppence worth from me as a layman, is that given the extensive civil engineering that was required to create a robust trackbed for a single track, the idea of it now being doubled tracked feels like almost another rebuild.

I am afraid I cant put figures on any of the individual aspects of the project, but I can give some perspective. I still have copies of most of the documents sitting in my office, but equally there's a lot of sensitive data on them, and sharing some of the things would probably get me in trouble with someone, but I'm not sure whom.

I can say though that there.was a lot of goodwill, and a lot of costs were written off. For example, and I've talked about this before, but the bridge under the bypass was originally supposed to be paid for by the council, because the bypass came after the railway.

We originally wanted to route it straight down the old route, but the council had earmarked part of the route for a new waste from energy plant. So we agreed to route around the site, and pay for the bridge on a different alignment, but the council payed for Shawfair station.

Similarly, Scottish Borders Council agreed to waive all the costs associated with road closures in Galashiels if we agreed to raise the line up and over Glenfield Road instead of severing it, and if we moved the line over to save space for the footpath over the Redbridge Viaduct and onwards to Tweedbank.

Stow station came very late in the day, but that was an issue with funding in the original plan. Being told we had to provide the station after years of assuming we didn't have to meant we could go back to parliament and say "you've told us to provide this, we haven't costed for it, so that's an extra several million pounds that needs to be added to the bill."

There were bits that were stripped out, the wholesale remodelling of Portobello Jn being one, although that was basically a fait accompli; we all knew that at some point it would have to be done, and that removing it and kicking the can down the road would please the treasury, but that sooner or later we'd be back needing to do it again for a lot more money. Similarly, wiring the thing from the start was taken out, but that meant that the Whifflet line had to be wired, and extra diesel units kept on lease to work the thing. That particular decision was actually a net increase in cost to ScotGov, but the calculations of what we could kick the can down the road as OPEX versus what we could spend as CAPEX were brutal at points.

There were a couple of single track sections that didn't have to be, but by making them single track we saved ourselves the costs of rebuilding the formation for doubling,. particularly over old viaducts with very limited clearance. The Glenesk viaduct, while originally double track, was fundamentally unsuitable; we took some of the local councillors and MSPs out with plywood track panels to show them just how little clearance there was.

We'd cut the cost down by turning it into a single track line with loops at some stations, and saved a lot of money. The single track iteration came out to save about £160m versus full doubling, and the treasury were very happy. However, throughout the project, as computer modelling of timetables and train performance got better, the whole thing started to get more expensive as the locations and lengths of the loops changed.

As Bald Rick says, the original sum, the version 1.0 calculation as submitted to the Scottish Parliament, had a very convenient BCR of 1.01, and a cost somewhere in the region of about £140m. Unfortunately, I can't remember the exact value. But even that BCR was using the most recent set of economic and census data, to maximise potential use, but used construction cost estimates from the Larkhall line, which had been gathered before the financial crash, to keep costs as low as possible and fudge the numbers. That first BCR didn't even include ongoing costs for running the service and lighting the stations.

The financial crash itself was a nightmare for us, because it became apparent in early 2010 that the economy of Edinburgh was actually recovering quite well. In fact, it was recovering faster than the inflation in construction costs, because a lot of companies had suddenly lost work and were sending in desperately low estimates. So we had this problem where inflation as a whole was dragging the costs up faster than tax receipts, and so the treasury wanted it submitted as soon as possible, but the longer we waited, the better the BCR actually became.

It shows that BCR figures are not to be taken literally, given the passenger success of the line. You can't predict human behaviour, it doesn't fit into neat computer calculations. I doubt if any lines would have reopened, if BCR was taken as gospel, set in stone.

How B is calculated/other has always fascinated me.

The BCR magic at the end of the day is just a number, it's just maps and graphs and estimates. I've written about it before, but we did a lot of dividing into what we called static, semi-static and fluid captures; estimates of how much each person within a reasonable distance of a station could be expected to use the line. Speaking with the councils and asking them to give us maps of where they'd build 100, 500, 1000, 5000 new homes in their constituencies and modelling that demand. We had all the data from Lothian Buses, vehicle counters along all the main roads into the city from Midlothian to try and get accurate numbers of commuters

We did it incredibly thoroughly, we had a team clear the trackbed of vegetation and we walked the entire route over a week in June 2010 with NR and engineers and councillors, with cameras and surveying equipment. Every single bridge was looked at, access points were drawn up, negotiations with landowners had been going for months before the bill was published. It was an enormous job, which is where some of the costs came from; the project had paid the full time salaries of over fifty people for three years before a single spade hit the ground.

A BCR is basically black magic at the end of the day; it's trying to boil down two decades worth of hypothetical change in the future and put a monetary value on that. But you can't put a monetary value on the psychology of having a railway link into Edinburgh, you can't model working from home, you can't model political changes and which parties might or might now want to build houses on bits of land, you can't model the massive benefit towards public attitude and the positivity towards rail that came with the line.

As I said previously, this wasn't a proper BCR, because it was the first one of its kind, and we did a lot of things wrong. I'm sure doing it now we could come up with a more accurate BCR, but it would never be perfect.
 
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There were a couple of single track sections that didn't have to be, but by making them single track we saved ourselves the costs of rebuilding the formation for doubling,. particularly over old viaducts with very limited clearance. The Glenesk viaduct, while originally double track, was fundamentally unsuitable; we took some of the local councillors and MSPs out with plywood track panels to show them just how little clearance there was.
Fascinating to read your insight into the process, and this section resonated - I recall walking over Glenesk viaduct before the relaying and not being able to visualise how to squeeze two tracks over such a narrow formation. How did it ever support dual track operation?!

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[image of aerial view of narrow viaduct, courtesy of Google Maps]
 
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I visited the Borders area Xmas 2024 and walked some of the old Waverley Route and trundled up to Edinburgh and back.
Since then I discovered this useful site and commend it to anyone interested...
It's a map of Scottish listed structures and ancient monuments. You can zoom in and out to quite a degree of detail. The coloured dots are listed buildings and areas such as battlefields are included.
One useful wee featurette is that there is a measuring tool in the top right corner.
Here is Galashiels.
 

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As Bald Rick says, the original sum, the version 1.0 calculation as submitted to the Scottish Parliament, had a very convenient BCR of 1.01,
Has there been a recalculation of the BCR knowing what we know now about actual usage and costs?
 

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Has there been a recalculation of the BCR knowing what we know now about actual usage and costs?

There has not, because it's a non-falsifiable proposition. You'd be trying to examine the hypothetical economic and societal benefits of building it, already knowing what they are. The fact that it didn't exist was true every single day until it wasn't, and the answer to the question "will it justify it's own cost?" was similarly 'maybe' every single day until it did.

We did go back and go and do a full study on the benefits which were realised, which taught us a few things and was subsequently used to justify the Levenmouth and Northumberland lines, but that's different.

The evaluations that ZWK posted are really interesting reading, and I'd recommend going through taking a look. There was a lot of stuff we missed, or that we suspected but couldn't prove, and therefore couldn't count in the numbers.
 

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We did go back and go and do a full study on the benefits which were realised, which taught us a few things and was subsequently used to justify the Levenmouth and Northumberland lines, but that's different.

It’s also helped justify not progressing with many new line proposals. As you say, very helfpul!
 

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There was a proposal to make Portobello Junction double-lead, but it seems to have gone quiet.
Does anyone have any information about this please?
 

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It's particularly interesting now that there's devolved forms of the Appraisal Guidance for Scotland and Wales.

ScotTAG or STAG: https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/41507/j9760.pdf
WelTAG: https://www.gov.wales/welsh-transport-appraisal-guidance-weltag

DfT (National) TAG: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transport-analysis-guidance-tag

The numerical parts of STAG and WelTAG are basically TAG with a 6-month lag. The devolved nations just don't have the capacity to do their own independent econometrics.
 

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There was a proposal to make Portobello Junction double-lead, but it seems to have gone quiet.
Does anyone have any information about this please?
The old relay-based interlocking was renewed over Christmas to facilitate redoubling in the next 2-3 years.
 

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The old relay-based interlocking was renewed over Christmas to facilitate redoubling in the next 2-3 years.
Sorry if this sounds pedantic, but was it done “to facilitate”, or was it done, “which will facilitate”?
 

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Yes, Waverley47, thanks for giving the real situation with BCR's. They are impossible to get right, for the reasons you gave. Portishead, Cowley and any future reopenings will confound gloomy expectations and be huge successes. Patronage success overrides financial criteria. If it didn't, most of the network would have to close with immediate effect.....
 

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Yes, Waverley47, thanks for giving the real situation with BCR's. They are impossible to get right, for the reasons you gave. Portishead, Cowley and any future reopenings will confound gloomy expectations and be huge successes. Patronage success overrides financial criteria. If it didn't, most of the network would have to close with immediate effect.....
Are you suggesting that Portishead and Cowley are going ahead despite negative BCRs? Or that they're predicted to have very low patronage?
 

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