How does the ticket inspector know which is the booked train. I have an advance Cardiff Bay to Romsey ticket validity bookedtrainonly but the journey needs 3 trains Cardiff Bay-Cardiff Queen Street,Cardiff Queen Street-Cardiff Central and Cardiff Central - Romsey. The only information about trains on the coupons is the seat reservation from Cardiff Central-Romsey. Therefore presume I could use any trains for the other 2 legs.
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Not this again. If you read other threads and take a literal interpretation of the terms and conditions of advance fares the onus is on you to remember or note down all the times of trains you are told. By this interpretation these are your booked trains and you must travel on them. If your ticket says &Connections you may travel on any connection trains though.
By looking at the reservation coupon(s).
Most people would agree that if a train is "booked", you get a reservation coupon.
That would be a logical interpretation, in my opinion, although some people disagree. There have been numerous debates on this issue on the forum, a search should reveal them.
The law does state that where the rules are unclear, the interpretation that is most favourable to the customer should prevail.
The old airline-style tickets used to say "Suggested service" and give details of the trains that were 'suggested', the new-style tickets do not mention these services. I believe the word 'suggested' is self-explanatory. It may be possible to get the old style tickets from cetrain travel agents, I was surprised to see some examples used by Sunderland supporters just a couple of weeks ago (they bought Durham-London group advance tickets).
I believe that most people would say it is a reasonable argument that if there is no coupon for that train, the train is not a "booked" train, and equally that if a train is not "reservable" then it is not "bookable".
The old-style tickets, using the term "suggested service" was, I believe, clear.
The issue is though that the terms and conditions of the ticket so you must only travel on your booked train. If you don't believe that the trains you are told at the ticket office are your booked trains then you have known way of getting to the station where your first reservation is from.
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The short answer is.....
If you do not have a reservation coupon for a particular part of the journey and you travel on a non-reservable service for that particular part of the journey, the guard would never know if it was the train you agreed to use.
I think everyone here agrees with that much.
If you do not have a reservation coupon for a particular part of the journey and you travel on a non-reservable service for that particular part of the journey, the guard would never know if it was the train you agreed to use.
I think everyone here agrees with that much.
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your ticket will also say something like "valid only with reservations".
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Then dont worry so long as your on the train that you do have reservations for. In my area its not uncommon for people to travel on advanced tickets but have no reservation reservations the reason for this is because our local service is not reservable where as the express is thats henerally how we no which train.
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Not always. For example, if I book a journey from Leeds to St Pancras to arrive at 1334 on a weekday, I can be expected to leave Leeds at three different times by entering "via Barnsley", "via Darton" or "via Rotherham Central". None of these three options involve any reservable train other than the 1334 arrival and the departure time from Leeds can not be computed from what is printed on the ticket.
There are no reservations because they are not reservable. As I said, most people would agree that means not bookable. The old tickets said "suggested service", the new ones just don't say anything.
No, they can't be sure of the non-reserved times.
(Except on some rural services with few trains, perhaps)
But even if they could, I believe that the tickets are only restricted on the reservable/bookable leg anyway. If you believe it is unclear, then this law applies:
The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 said:
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I have seen a slight change lately in scenarios like this, where a reservation is issued for a train but no reserved seat (on non reservable services) but the train time is clearly printed on it.
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TPE do this on Race Days at York where the demand is more that capacity and they make the trains non-reservable, however to still offer quota-controlled discounted tickets they will give a time of train you must travel on, but without a guaranteed seat.....
That's interesting, what flows do they do it on, all of them, or do they just keep it to places like Leeds - York/Scarborough - York etc? Never come across it, although don't think I've travelled to York on a race day.
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IIRC its all of them that pass through York which are expected to be busy. So normally a block of trains at a time. Cant remember the exact times to be honest
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The requirement is that you must travel on the trains for which you have reservations (not necessarily a seat reservation) - no more.
I have queried this a couple of times, with rail staff, and have always been told that any part of the overall journey which has no reservation for it can be completed on ANY train. This applies even if the train that you do travel on is actually "reservable".
The route I nearly always do this on is to/from Paignton. My reservation is to/from Exeter; Exeter to Paignton has no reservation. On the return leg, I get the Pacer as far as Newton Abbot, then get the next "mainline" train to Exeter.
I have done this on numerous occasions and have never had it queried by anyone.
I have queried this a couple of times, with rail staff, and have always been told that any part of the overall journey which has no reservation for it can be completed on ANY train. This applies even if the train that you do travel on is actually "reservable".
The route I nearly always do this on is to/from Paignton. My reservation is to/from Exeter; Exeter to Paignton has no reservation. On the return leg, I get the Pacer as far as Newton Abbot, then get the next "mainline" train to Exeter.
I have done this on numerous occasions and have never had it queried by anyone.
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