Bombardier win London Overground contract for 45 EMUs

[physics34]

Not a bad looking train, I agree with others that the lights don't look right but other than that, it doesn't look too bad.

and basically one of the better recent liveries. ALso agree with the lights which should a bitbigger.

 

[Class377/5]

It just makes me think Guppy.

 

[Domh245]

Things to note from this:

a) They're in production
b) Orange fronted
c) Slightly better looking headlight surrounds as discussed here - it appears to validate the Bombardier render from that thread so other changes also included.

 

[Goldfish62]

Things to note from this:

a) They're in production
b) Orange fronted
c) Slightly better looking headlight surrounds as discussed here - it appears to validate the Bombardier render from that thread so other changes also included.

The orange front in fact appeared in Bombardier publicity a couple of months ago.

 

[Domh245]

The orange front in fact appeared in Bombardier publicity a couple of months ago.

Indeed it did, but I was rather sceptical that it would actually be orange, as I thought that TfL would be fairly keen on keeping a high degree of fleet uniformity with the 378s by having a yellow front, but evidently not.

 

[47802]

The lights look better and assuming the bottom fairing is blue as per the Bombardier image overall it looks better than the Crossrail units, where the abupt angular black fairing at the side doesn't look right they need to change the colour scheme in that area in my view.

 

[XCTurbostar]

For what ever reason I cant help but think that London Overground are just choosing an orange front just because they can. I'm not sure if it will match the Class 378s with yellow fronts, I always thought the yellow made the overall livery look very smart. Its not a jurastic change but I hate the idea that TOCs see yellow fronts as the 'classic' arrangement. Its better than a black front, just saying.

Thanks,
Ross

 

[D365]

Perhaps it's just an idea to differentiate the new fleet from the old?

 

[AM9]

... Its not a jurastic change but I hate the idea that TOCs see yellow fronts as the 'classic' arrangement. Its better than a black front, just saying.

Thanks,
Ross

Not sure what 'jurastic' means, but whether yellow (or any other colour) is better than black is just a matter of personal taste.

 

[the sniper]

For what ever reason I cant help but think that London Overground are just choosing an orange front just because they can.

Correct. They're using orange even though it makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't match the rest of their fleet (though they'll probably send a small fortune repainting the 378s, for the heck of it), a yellow front end would look better, as it does on the 378s, and it's two fingers up to anyone who doesn't agree with the change of rules regarding front end colour requirements. IIRC TfL were one of the organisations pushing for this change.

The orange front end is also another silly act/policy in London Overground trying to pretend they're not part of or associated with the wider rail network/industry. It doesn't help passengers or the industry, it just strokes the ego of those who run TfL Rail. :-x

 

[JaJaWa]

The orange front end is also another silly act/policy in London Overground trying to pretend they're not part of or associated with the wider rail network/industry. It doesn't help passengers or the industry, it just strokes the ego of those who run TfL Rail. :-x

What on earth? Firstly, London Overground and TfL Rail are separate train operating companies. Secondly, any train operating company can order trains with any coloured front-end.

For what ever reason I cant help but think that London Overground are just choosing an orange front just because they can.

Of course they are. If there was a rule that you had to purchase a car with a yellow front end, and then that rule was removed, I don't think you'd purchase any more cars with a yellow front-end. In fact I don't really think we'll ever see any trains ordered with them again.

 

[the sniper]

What on earth? Firstly, London Overground and TfL Rail are separate train operating companies. Secondly, any train operating company can order trains with any coloured front-end.

My apologies, I meant the London Rail directorate, or whatever department of TfL it is that overseas their rail operations now... And just because you can, doesn't mean you must.

 

[Goldfish62]

Perhaps it's just an idea to differentiate the new fleet from the old?

It's simply the standard livery design for TfL rail Now that yellow panels are no longer mandated I would expect the 378s to gain orange fronts in time, assuming their headlamp arrangements are to current standards.

 

[glbotu]

Not sure what 'jurastic' means, but whether yellow (or any other colour) is better than black is just a matter of personal taste.

I believe it means

"Drastic to dinosaur proportions"

 

[Class377/5]

I really do not see all the fuss being made by yellow don't end especially the argument of you can't see headlights.

Take the 700s for example. The headlights can be seen from Three Bridges Station (straight track for those that don't know). And yes you seen the headlights before you can make out the train even in sunny conditions. (I've been trying this out since before the 700s came in).

This idea the front end is always see first is crap. In the dark, foggy and even dull conditions this simply isn't true. And that's on straight track which we all know is not often given in long stretches.

 

[Domh245]

...assuming their headlamp arrangements are to current standards.

I'm not sure that they would be up to standard. They lack the ability for dimmed/full beam headlights, and simultaneous illumination of both headlights which admittedly could be fixed with some rewiring. That is assuming that the headlights and marker lights are both sufficiently large and bright (and colour temperature) to meet requirements as well, otherwise you'd be looking at replacing them.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I really do not see all the fuss being made by yellow don't end especially the argument of you can't see headlights.

Take the 700s for example. The headlights can be seen from Three Bridges Station (straight track for those that don't know). And yes you seen the headlights before you can make out the train even in sunny conditions. (I've been trying this out since before the 700s came in).

This idea the front end is always see first is crap. In the dark, foggy and even dull conditions this simply isn't true. And that's on straight track which we all know is not often given in long stretches.

Agreed, the Class 700 headlights are VERY bright.

If a unit with no yellow front has a defective headlight can it still run in service? To me its a no because it breaches the standard. Is this correct?

Thanks,
Ross

 

[Roast Veg]

Choosing orange fronts is quite important - it reduces the colour palette from orange/black/white/blue/yellow to just orange/black/white/blue, and the change will also attract more customers to the fact that there are new trains at all. Don't forget that some would barely notice otherwise.

 

[43021HST]

Surely the lack of yellow end is still sheer speculation. A single cab end moulding is no indicator.

Many trains under construction don't have the yellow ends applied until later anyway.

 

[traji00]

Probably a bit too early to say but we can probably assume that Greater Anglia's stock would be like this/the 345s , except with an all white front.


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[47802]

Surely the lack of yellow end is still sheer speculation. A single cab end moulding is no indicator.

Many trains under construction don't have the yellow ends applied until later anyway.

Yes but the livery is already applied on the sides by the looks of it, plus the twitter Bombardier image shows it as the front moulding currently is with an orange front.

As for the Anglia units looking the same I expect they will be similar to the images shown at the franchise launch with significantly different lights, after all if you look under the windscreen there is a separate moulding which presumably can be easily changed, they may also decide to retain a yellow front.

 

[JaJaWa]

The new Greater Anglia trains will be delivered with black front-ends as far as I'm aware.

 

[XCTurbostar]

The new Greater Anglia trains will be delivered with black front-ends as far as I'm aware.

This: https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/hero_banner_home/public/assets/image_ct/greater-anglia-homepage-banner-q56.jpg?itok=kGVqwcoS

Appears to suggest you are correct.

Thanks,
Ross

 

[Domh245]

This: https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/hero_banner_home/public/assets/image_ct/greater-anglia-homepage-banner-q56.jpg?itok=kGVqwcoS

Appears to suggest you are correct.

Thanks,
Ross

That is one of the FLIRTs. This is the only rendering of an Anglian Aventra that I am aware of so far

 

[XCTurbostar]

That is one of the FLIRTs. This is the only rendering of an Anglian Aventra that I am aware of so far

I think that bring us full circle because i'd be suprised if AGA had a fleet with Yellow Fronts and one with Black. A bit like LO's trains. The only difference being the Class 378s are already delivered.

Thanks,
Ross

 

[Class377/5]

Agreed, the Class 700 headlights are VERY bright.

If a unit with no yellow front has a defective headlight can it still run in service? To me its a no because it breaches the standard. Is this correct?

Thanks,
Ross

If a unit has no headlights, yellow or not its out of service!

Funny enoug I realised earlier the pictures posted on this forum of 700s with snow covering the yellow front. Haven't seen the screaming for them to be withdrawn as they aren't safe. Funny that.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That is one of the FLIRTs. This is the only rendering of an Anglian Aventra that I am aware of so far

They appear to be a generic unliveried rendering, though.

 

[Roast Veg]

Pure speculation, but the colour of the GA Aventras may not even be finalised yet, since Derby have a fair bit to be dealing with first, whereas Stadler may have wanted a full specification further in advance for it being an international order with an unknown or multiple manufacturing locations, I stand to be corrected on both fronts however.

 

[Goldfish62]

Correct. They're using orange even though it makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't match the rest of their fleet (though they'll probably send a small fortune repainting the 378s, for the heck of it), a yellow front end would look better, as it does on the 378s, and it's two fingers up to anyone who doesn't agree with the change of rules regarding front end colour requirements. IIRC TfL were one of the organisations pushing for this change.

The orange front end is also another silly act/policy in London Overground trying to pretend they're not part of or associated with the wider rail network/industry. It doesn't help passengers or the industry, it just strokes the ego of those who run TfL Rail. :-x

What an utterly ridiculous post, but quite entertaining nonetheless.
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Surely the lack of yellow end is still sheer speculation. A single cab end moulding is no indicator.

Many trains under construction don't have the yellow ends applied until later anyway.

They will have orange fronts.

 

[Chris125]

The orange front end is also another silly act/policy in London Overground trying to pretend they're not part of or associated with the wider rail network/industry. It doesn't help passengers or the industry, it just strokes the ego of those who run TfL Rail. :-x

They are simplifying the livery, that's hardly a hanging offence :roll: