People can live in a council house without being on benefits. I didn't know until today that he refused to buy the property using right to buy as he didn't believe in it. I don't believe in right to buy either, and never understood why it could be thought of as a good thing (I could rant for ages on how it has been abused), so I suddenly have a bit more respect for him.
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People can live in a council house without being on benefits. I didn't know until today that he refused to buy the property using right to buy as he didn't believe in it. I don't believe in right to buy either, and never understood why it could be thought of as a good thing (I could rant for ages on how it has been abused), so I suddenly have a bit more respect for him.
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I read it that Boris is saying they were after the same thing just they had their own vision of how to get there!
RIP from me and deepest sympathies to his family and friends, its saddening when you lose anyone but to lose someone suddenly at the young age of 52 must be heart wrenching.
I certainly didnt agree with some of his views and they way he played the part (whether real playing up to the audience) but he certainly was a character, something the modern world is short of!
Sleep well mate, you wont be forgotten by the workforce (or management
) for a very long time.He was a forthright man, committed to his beliefs and his members and a confident performer whenever he was in the media.
But this sad news just shows the stresses he must have been under, which many people don't appreciate.
But this sad news just shows the stresses he must have been under, which many people don't appreciate.
Considering the words he said about Margaret Thatcher after she had passed I would say that turnabout is fair play. What he said about Maggie was disgusting and the vitriol that came out after she passed saddened me that the UK people could behave in such a way.
In the interests of sheer fairness then opinions about how people feel about him should be allowed to be heard just as much as those pouring out their condolences.
Just because someone dies doesn't mean that their legacy goes un-discussed. This is a railway forum where all sides come together to learn and share information. I would hope that both sides can be discussed with some decorum and both sides can have their opinions respected.
He will be judged by his legacy. Good, bad and sometimes ugly.
In the interests of sheer fairness then opinions about how people feel about him should be allowed to be heard just as much as those pouring out their condolences.
Just because someone dies doesn't mean that their legacy goes un-discussed. This is a railway forum where all sides come together to learn and share information. I would hope that both sides can be discussed with some decorum and both sides can have their opinions respected.
He will be judged by his legacy. Good, bad and sometimes ugly.
Johnnie2Sheds
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Couldn't put it any better than that.
The hatred the establishment showed him proves he did his job well.
I bet they're sniggering into thier PIMS today.
RIP chap and condolences to family and friends.
Two wrongs etc
I agree, but I feel that in the immediate aftermath of a death words need to be chosen carefully.
Again, I agree, but I think we leave it for now. This thread is about the sudden death of a man who was very involved with and relevant to the railway. It's not the place or the time for massive arguments to break out.
WCMLaddict
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Rest in peace Bob. My thoughts go to your family and friends.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Bob Crow was born in the wrong country at the wrong time.
tbtc
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RIP.
Today is not a day for arguing about council houses, Pimms, Mayors or politics, its about showing a little respect. And whilst I wasn't a big fan of Bob Crow, I can offer my condolances to a family who are dealing with the death of someone at what is a relatively young age to die nowadays - didn't realise he was only in his early '50s - I won't be the only one who's feeling a little more "mortal" in light of this news
Today is not a day for arguing about council houses, Pimms, Mayors or politics, its about showing a little respect. And whilst I wasn't a big fan of Bob Crow, I can offer my condolances to a family who are dealing with the death of someone at what is a relatively young age to die nowadays - didn't realise he was only in his early '50s - I won't be the only one who's feeling a little more "mortal" in light of this news
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A sad day for all workers and trade unionists, whether you are a railway man or not (I am not by the way)
He had the balls to stand up to management and government hostility and defended his members interests during one of the harshest climates working people have faced for a number of years. A few other trade unions would have done well to follow his example!
RIP Bob, condolences to his friends and family.
He had the balls to stand up to management and government hostility and defended his members interests during one of the harshest climates working people have faced for a number of years. A few other trade unions would have done well to follow his example!
RIP Bob, condolences to his friends and family.
Well said.
plastictaffy
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Goodnight and god bless, Comrade.
Agree or disagree, like or loathe, you can't help but admire the man for having the balls to stand up to politicians and railway management alike.
I've not been on the railways long (still a boy on the job) but I've heard some of the stories about the things that have changed for the better for us as members of the RMT under Bob's leadership.
When you've seen him on the telly, he comes across as a bit of a bully, very much stuck in the old ways. However, he's been to my depot on more than one occasion so I have been told, and was actually quite a charming man, who had the ability to engage almost anyone in decent conversation, including some of our managers, about things that weren't in the slightest related to the railways.
I am the first to admit, some of the tactics used by the RMT in general, and Bob in particular were very distasteful and not seen as the best move by some (including me), but he has gone some way to making the job that we, as RMT members do, that bit more bearable. And for that, we MUST be truly grateful.
Someone has a LARGE pair of shoes to fill, and I look forward to meeting his replacement out and about when he is campaigning. (if that's the right word)
Sleep well, brother.
Agree or disagree, like or loathe, you can't help but admire the man for having the balls to stand up to politicians and railway management alike.
I've not been on the railways long (still a boy on the job) but I've heard some of the stories about the things that have changed for the better for us as members of the RMT under Bob's leadership.
When you've seen him on the telly, he comes across as a bit of a bully, very much stuck in the old ways. However, he's been to my depot on more than one occasion so I have been told, and was actually quite a charming man, who had the ability to engage almost anyone in decent conversation, including some of our managers, about things that weren't in the slightest related to the railways.
I am the first to admit, some of the tactics used by the RMT in general, and Bob in particular were very distasteful and not seen as the best move by some (including me), but he has gone some way to making the job that we, as RMT members do, that bit more bearable. And for that, we MUST be truly grateful.
Someone has a LARGE pair of shoes to fill, and I look forward to meeting his replacement out and about when he is campaigning. (if that's the right word)
Sleep well, brother.
Depends though whether you see it as wrong to vilify someone in death as in life. Bob Crow did it to Mrs T, so obviously didn't see it as wrong.
So what is the point of this thread if we are not allowed to discuss our thoughts and feelings on bob Crow and all he stood for and did?
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ralphchadkirk
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I met him very briefly once, he seemed like a nice man on a personal level to me.
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I believe he put the well being of his members above the well being of the railways and the passengers, but that was his job so I can hardly quibble about it.
52 is not an age anyone should be dying at. Condolences to the family.
52 is not an age anyone should be dying at. Condolences to the family.
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RIP Mr Crow
I agree, but why pull people up on their points of view about him? Why not just ignore them? This thread is abut paying respects for a man who was hard-working, bullish and determined. We don't need people tarnishing this thread with bickering over what is 'poor' and not 'poor' taste.
I always respected Bob Crow, and may he rest in peace.
The point of this thread was to report on the passing of a man who was very relevant to the railway industry. In my view it's appropriate to express sympathy to the family.
I fi had nothing positive to say, at this time I would remain silent.
Similarly on the passing of HM The Queen, it would not be an appropriate time and place to comment on matters pertaining to the monarchy and how it represses the working class. So I would not say anything about that.
If you think it is appropriate and decent to point out the alleged faults of a man who is not long cold, that is up to you. Others will judge you by that. As those who passed adverse comment on Margaret Thatcher on the day she passed were similarly judged.
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It doesn't matter whether Bob Crow would think it is wrong or not. It is what this forum thinks is appropriate that is relevant.
I'm guessing you knew him quite well?
Funnily enough, I've read dozens of opinions today already that say the complete opposite, and from people who have actually met him.
Or maybe they are just being respectful to the dead? Something that used to be commonplace from what I remember.
I'm not sure that anyone is expecting you to blow smoke up his arse. But possibly by being old fashioned, I'd rather see this as a respectful thread.
Maybe you could start a new thread to discuss the issues that you obviously have as a passenger as a direct result of Bob Crow? I'm sure there are many who can reply in the thread with an equally differing view.
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RichmondCommu
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From a rail users perspective Bob Crow was a pain in the bum but he was a fantastic and very successful union leader. This is all very sad and 52 is no age. As a commuter heading home tonight I'll have a few thoughts for Bob Crow.
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RIP Bob,
Thanks to you, many rail staff have well paid, reasonably secure jobs, and have a very powerful union that does look after the intrests of staff. I just hope your eventual replacement does as good a job as you.
I do find it funny, how it's mainly passengers/"tax payers" (I guess not all of us are a tax payer right...) on here that seem more bitter towards him, but that's to be expected I suppose. The uneducated don't see what we strike for sometimes, only that we do it for "more money to sit on our ass all day, while the rest of us have pay freezesl"
Thanks to you, many rail staff have well paid, reasonably secure jobs, and have a very powerful union that does look after the intrests of staff. I just hope your eventual replacement does as good a job as you.
I do find it funny, how it's mainly passengers/"tax payers" (I guess not all of us are a tax payer right...) on here that seem more bitter towards him, but that's to be expected I suppose. The uneducated don't see what we strike for sometimes, only that we do it for "more money to sit on our ass all day, while the rest of us have pay freezesl"
flymo
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As a rail outsider, my view on Mr. Crow was that he always stood up for his members and was very forceful in putting his members interests forward. I bet we will not see his like again in my lifetime (i'm 47). I cannot help but regard this as the end of an era in the world of union negotiations as there is simply nobody to take his place. Like him or loathe him, he carried some clout.
Oh the irony post#4
See above.
Now I didnt always agree with Mr Crow on how he went about some things and he was a pain in managements backsides especially with TfL however I have the utmost respect for him in fighting hard for his members and keeping them in jobs and also getting them decent pay awards even whilst the country was having a rough time. He was a man who had conviction in what he done and for that I hold him in great esteem.
Massive massive loss for the RMT as well as his family members and close friends. RIP.
DarloRich
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Indeed I stand by my views. Although perhaps that wasnt the best time to express them! Perhaps I have looked at myself and learnt something. Are others prepared to do the same?
Donny Dave
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I find it hypocritical that your telling people to be respectful about a death when you were openly rejoicing about Margaret Thatcher's death and belittling others who were showing respect :roll:
Now, I didn't agree with Bob Crow's politics, and I didn't like the way he did conduct union business (he was too militant IMO), but I did admire the fact he was prepared to stand up for his members, no matter what the problem was.
DarloRich
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And I have said I have considered my approach and changed it. I am prepared to admit my mistakes in life and change. Are others prepared to do the same?
He was paid to look after his members and that's what he did. When you are fighting for YOUR rights and better conditions that's how it works. From what you are saying it appears you would preffer a Union leader who simply took what managment and Govenment dished out without ever taking a stance! It would be interesting to hear what you would do in these situations. (samxool).
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