Boarding while people are unboarding

[YorkshireBear]

Right so other day im getting off a TPE from york to manchester at leeds and im about the 3rd last person getting off(about 10 people out of this door), my girlfriend was infront and she just about manadged to get off they left her just enough room, well when i tried they completely closed and started piling onto the train. The two people behind me were small and well older and were looking slightly frightened. After shouting twice let people get off the train to no avail, I got fed up and just barged making sure the old couple behind me were close behind.
Why do people think it is okay to do this? i Should not of had to barge off a train guiding an old couple? It is an absolute disgrace.
this wasnt rush hour the train wasnt full at all, it was about 4:30 saturday afternoon and the train was due to leave 10 minutes after it pulled in. so why did they feel they had to do that?
Is this a common problem?
A couple of them who started giving me looks and muttering things at me got a very quick explanation.

so basically end of rant just wondering how much of a problem this is? and do people ever get stuck on trains?

 

[SS4]

I've never got stuck on a train to the point where it's left the station but it has taken a while to get off especially during peak times.

I have noticed that a lot of people seem to think the doors are a two-way system, the left side for getting on and the right for getting off (looking from the outside) which is annoying.
My own gripe is when they wait off the train but they form a semi-circle around the train doors so although you can get off the train you can't progress along the platform.

Like you I've barged my way through using force (conservation of momentum means I usually come off best being of both higher mass and higher velocity) and although I instructed few to keep behind me I have noticed people following

 

[Yorkswatcher]

There has been many a time my right shoulder has been used to "move" people getting onto a train of which I am getting off.

 

[Bellwater]

Happens everywhere, particularly at the Big Stations. lack of respect... not much you can do about it.

And why do pax seem to want to stand in the vestibule, when their stop is 30mins away and 8 stops away anyway??

 

[EM2]

For a start, it's a byelaw offence:

10. Trains
(1) No person shall enter through any train door until any person leaving by that
door has passed through.

 

[Aictos]

There are ways to deal with this, depending on the place and time of course,

 

[laird]

I saw a similar incident at Reading on Friday evening, a HST from Bristol came in and there were a few passengers waiting at the door, they disembarked and the awaiting passengers parted to allow them away onto the platform, then having seen what appeared to be the last passenger come off I stepped on and then realised that just arriving at the luggage rack was an older lady wishing to disembark while carrying her walking stick was being followed by another gentleman.
Luckily as the first passenger onboard I was able to go straight forward out of their way and stand by the opposing door. Unfortunately the crowds that were following barely any distance behind me then ended up in stalemate in that they couldn't pass the lady and gentleman and equally they couldn't get to the exit door. It took what felt like an eternity for this to come to an end, of course it wasn't but it is a problem I've seen many times before. There doesn't seem to be any particularly good way out of the awkwardness.

The only way I've found to avoid getting stuck in the awkward situation myself trying to disembark when others are boarding is to imagine it using decision theory I guess ...
If train is crowded with lots of disembarking passengers and I can move quickly, stay seated until train comes to a stop
If train is empty/few passengers disembarking, get up and go to door
If train is terminating stay seated

I wonder what else passengers can do or what the etiquette should be in such circumstances

 

[me123]

I've been stuck on the Subway once. I got up in plenty of time. Sadly, I forgot that there was football at Ibrox. When the doors opened, the Rangers fans pushed me on when I was trying to get off at Buchanan Street. Train was at absolute capacity, so I couldn't even move never mind get off. Was an interesting ride round the circle, not least when they started to do "the bouncy"... Sadly, no such bylaws cover the subway as far as I'm aware.

 

[jopsuk]

Often when I'm travelling at peak time I've got a bike with me. People do seem really pput out when they're blocking the path and you ram a bike into them. they get pretty upset when you refuse to fully get off until there's actually a way out as well. Given they get the same train which has more or less the same number of diembarking cyclists every day you'd have thought they'd learn, but no.

 

[northwichcat]

For a start, it's a byelaw offence:

I take it that wouldn't be inforced where it looks like everyone's alighted and then someone else alights 30 seconds after the 2nd to last person?

What could be enforced where it's breached and what about on a service like the 15:07 Chester to Manchester where over 100 schoolkids board at Knutsford and about 40 might push on before people have alighted?

 

[jopsuk]

I see it with people boarding the rear unit of the 7:45 Cambridge-London. The rear unit (of the twelve carriage train) comes in from Kings Lynn, opens doors to let people off, closes, couples and then opens again before departure. People are so depserate to get a seat (and no doubt "their" seat)- it does depart with people standing, and still has a stop at Royston for more- that they barge past people getting off. It's all about selfishness on busy trains- a "me first, I'm most important, I must have a seat" attitude that might actually slow down the dwell and even make the train late as a consequence.

 

[YorkshireBear]

what is a bylaw? sorry im not with ti on this kind of stuff? so what happens if you break them?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

what is a bylaw? sorry im not with ti on this kind of stuff? so what happens if you break them?

You get taken to court. Byelaws are a form of delegated legislation where the government gives the power to create laws to another body; in this case, the railways.

 

[Geezertronic]

Happens on the tube all the time. Luckily I have broad shoulders

 

[Optimo]

The thing that's more bizarre to me is when you're trying to disembark and there are passengers in the vestibule, who expect you to weave around them so you can get off. The whole process could be made simpler and quicker if the people blocking the exits stepped down onto the platform for a moment. I can barely believe these people can even dress themselves in the morning.

 

[me123]

what is a bylaw? sorry im not with ti on this kind of stuff? so what happens if you break them?

Click here

Not only does it tell you each and every bylaw, it has a brief introduction on what they are and why they're needed.

 

[WestCoast]

I see it happening all the time, particularly at large stations. On Saturday at Manchester Piccadilly there was a busy EMT 158 coming with loads of people disembarking. The guy infont of me insisted on pushing on the train before all the people had left the train, I thought it was extremely rude. Then some swarmy looking businessmen did the same. There was four of them and they were obviously table hunting (on an EMT 158 ).

 

[krus_aragon]

On the topic of Byelaws, does byelaw 6.(4) "No person shall soil any part of the railway" apply to routes where rolling stock doesn't have retention tanks fitted? :P

 

[12CSVT]

Happens all the time at St Pancras Low Level during peak hours (pushing their way onto the train when others are trying to get off). And business types seem to be the worst offenders.

 

[The Colonel]

Right so other day im getting off a TPE from york to manchester at leeds and im about the 3rd last person getting off(about 10 people out of this door), my girlfriend was infront and she just about manadged to get off they left her just enough room, well when i tried they completely closed and started piling onto the train. The two people behind me were small and well older and were looking slightly frightened. After shouting twice let people get off the train to no avail, I got fed up and just barged making sure the old couple behind me were close behind.
Why do people think it is okay to do this? i Should not of had to barge off a train guiding an old couple? It is an absolute disgrace.
this wasnt rush hour the train wasnt full at all, it was about 4:30 saturday afternoon and the train was due to leave 10 minutes after it pulled in. so why did they feel they had to do that?
Is this a common problem?
A couple of them who started giving me looks and muttering things at me got a very quick explanation.

so basically end of rant just wondering how much of a problem this is? and do people ever get stuck on trains?

Jimmyowl1992 if you are going sully this forum with your presence & posts please try and be grammatically correct and not use totally fictional made up words like unboarding. The words one uses are either :-
alight (from) - descend from a vehicle
disembark - put or go ashore or land from a ship; remove from or leave an aircraft, train etc.
from my Oxford English Dictionary and Thesaurus. It might be a good idea if rather than using text speak language you saved some texting money and bought both of those books. Also for future reference place names begin with a capital letter i.e. Manchester, Leeds etc.

I suppose one can be grateful that you didn't use the modern and very common & crass phrase train station.

The Colonel

 

[leedstraindude]

Jimmyowl1992 if you are going sully this forum with your presence & posts please try and be grammatically correct and not use totally fictional made up words like unboarding. The words one uses are either :-
alight (from) - descend from a vehicle
disembark - put or go ashore or land from a ship; remove from or leave an aircraft, train etc.
from my Oxford English Dictionary and Thesaurus. It might be a good idea if rather than using text speak language you saved some texting money and bought both of those books. Also for future reference place names begin with a capital letter i.e. Manchester, Leeds etc.

I suppose one can be grateful that you didn't use the modern and very common & crass phrase train station.

The Colonel

Please tell me you are being sarcastic?

 

[ainsworth74]

The Colonel

I have to say that this post takes the prize of being most condescending and unnecessary post that I've ever read on here. I think you should perhaps step off your high horse and only contribute on threads where you have something meaningful to add rather than attacking other members. I would also say that far from Jimmy 'sullying' this forum it is you that is 'sullying' the forum with your presence.

 

[jopsuk]

Happens all the time at St Pancras Low Level during peak hours. And business types seem to be the worst offenders.

Pushing in at the doors or soiling the railway? hock:

 

[68000]

totally fictional made up words

Why do they have to be fictional?

you didn't use

you did not use

 

[reb0118]

I'm the guard and often the boarding pax do not step aside to let me on to the platform. I've even had pax pushing into the rear cab of a 170 & being quite miffed when I told them to get off.

 

[alloneword100]

Jimmyowl1992 if you are going sully this forum with your presence & posts please try and be grammatically correct and not use totally fictional made up words like unboarding. The words one uses are either :-
alight (from) - descend from a vehicle
disembark - put or go ashore or land from a ship; remove from or leave an aircraft, train etc.
from my Oxford English Dictionary and Thesaurus. It might be a good idea if rather than using text speak language you saved some texting money and bought both of those books. Also for future reference place names begin with a capital letter i.e. Manchester, Leeds etc.
I suppose one can be grateful that you didn't use the modern and very common & crass phrase train station.

The Colonel

Amongst other errors, I would highlight:

'please try TO be... The WORD one uses IS either... From a vehicle, OR;... Text-speak...'. And learn how to punctuate, especially how to use commas. I suggest you buy 'Eats shoots and leaves' by Lynne Truss.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Jimmyowl1992 if you are going sully this forum with your presence & posts please try and be grammatically correct and not use totally fictional made up words like unboarding. The words one uses are either :-
alight (from) - descend from a vehicle
disembark - put or go ashore or land from a ship; remove from or leave an aircraft, train etc.
from my Oxford English Dictionary and Thesaurus. It might be a good idea if rather than using text speak language you saved some texting money and bought both of those books. Also for future reference place names begin with a capital letter i.e. Manchester, Leeds etc.

I suppose one can be grateful that you didn't use the modern and very common & crass phrase train station.

The Colonel

I realised this half way through the afternoon but thought nothing of it as i didnt think people would mind they got what i meant, clearly from the replies. As has already come up before from another member who decided to insult my grammar, i am dyslexic and occasionally struggle with things like this, i have software on my computer which is very intelligent and usually picks up alot of my mistakes and is slowly helping me but on forums it finds it more difficult unless i copy and paste from word which at the time i didn't want to do as i was on my lunch break and wanted to use it wisely.

I also enjoy the fact that you refer to this as texting speak? None of it is texting speak and i'll have you know despite being 18 all my texts are written in full words, i may not always use the right punctuation but i always use full words and sentances in my texts. Again this is to help with dyslexia im actively encouraged not to use it.

Maybe i should introduce you to my dyslexia tutor, you may learn alot off her, politeness being the main one and how not to belittle someone.

And i have a dictionary and thesaurus, i am not stupid, as i feel you meant by that statement and how i certainly took it, i currently do a masters degree in civil engineering so please do not insult my intelligence on a public forum.

I hope you appreciate this reply it took 5 times as long as usual while i checked it

 

[Bellwater]

I wouldn't worry Jimmy, when people have nothing better to post they pick on other people's spelling and grammar. sums up their lives, i suppose...

 

[YorkshireBear]

Click here

Not only does it tell you each and every bylaw, it has a brief introduction on what they are and why they're needed.

Thanks and to all others who replied too as well as you.

apologies for ranting in previous post

I wouldn't worry Jimmy, when people have nothing better to post they pick on other people's spelling and grammar. sums up their lives, i suppose...

Thanks alot much appreciated

must thank you all for responding like you did, much appreciated people genuinley

 

[First class]

Think I mentioned this a while back, but Merseyrail do prosecute for this bye-law offence (unsurprisingly), but more in cases were they are acting dangerously or very selfishly.

More TOCs should follow suit, especially with the Feet on Seats prosecutions (interfering with passenger comfort byelaw) and smoking (Merseyrail- Underground stations are banned).

Some people see it as draconian, but it improves the service for the majority that act normally.