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Hello

I have been watching some of the Railfan video content on Youtube.

Silly question to the folks who know...how does a passenger know where to board an Amtrak train?

To take Ashland, Virginia as an example. An eight car train arrives and yet passengers only seem to use
two entry and exit points even though the platform is probably long enough for all eight cars.
Look down the side of the train (if it has power doors) for a red door indicator light on one end of the car on the side. If it is lit, it will be open on at least one door on that car.
On the Acela, all doors open by default.
Look for the staff on manually operated door stock.
 
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Just conservatism perhaps? Like at Beeching time in the UK, it seems like the choice is between "Amtrak as it is" and "shut it all down and put on a bus" - there's no mind to Europeanising it by operating trains with just a driver and a guard (or even DOO) nor just installing gatelines and letting people board on their own.
In my experience (mostly in California) the 'regional' trains do just have an engineer (driver) and conductor combined with self-boarding - it's the long-distance trains in particular that have the over-the-top staffing and the very time-consuming boarding procedures. The checked-baggage handling doesn't help the staffing situation either.

Unfortunately Amtrak seems to have a knack for combining some of the worst aspects of a government agency, being a political football and union rules/job demarcation issues. I think it's pretty amazing it's survived reasonably unscathed for over 50 years.

Why haven't I found your YouTube channel before?! Love the sound of those big GE 7FDLs...
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Here's seven and a half minutes of 'Antidote to EMUs' ;) for you to rattle the windows with - I'll leave you to work out the locations (as you're an aficionado of US diesels it won't be hard...). Afraid it's a mixture of 7FDLs and EVOs but they both have their audio merits...:smile:
 

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Meanwhile freight trains block multiple crossings for hours on end.


Recent spectacular derailments have focused attention on train safety and whether the nation’s powerful rail companies are doing enough to protect the public — and whether federal regulators are doing enough to make them, especially as the companies build longer and longer trains.

But communities like Hammond routinely face a different set of risks foisted on them by those same train companies, which have long acted with impunity. Every day across America, their trains park in the middle of neighborhoods and major intersections, waiting to enter congested rail yards or for one crew to switch with another. They block crossings, sometimes for hours or days, disrupting life and endangering lives.

News accounts chronicle horror stories: Ambulances can’t reach patients before they die or get them to the hospital in time. Fire trucks can’t get through and house fires blaze out of control. Pedestrians trying to cut through trains have been disfigured, dismembered and killed; when one train abruptly began moving, an Iowa woman was dragged underneath until it stripped almost all of the skin from the back of her body; a Pennsylvania teenager lost her leg hopping between rail cars as she rushed home to get ready for prom.

In Hammond, the hulking trains of Norfolk Southern regularly force parents, kids and caretakers into an exhausting gamble: How much should they risk to get to school?
 

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New Orleans was of course busier, but only felt like a medium sized intercity station - reminded me of a cross between Milton Keynes and Blackpool North - and there were Amtrak staff everywhere. Overall, the travelling experience was a lot nicer than your average London-Edinburgh, but there is probably a balance.
And of course, all that infrastructure sees at most three trains a day...
 

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And of course, all that infrastructure sees at most three trains a day...
When I first knew Los Angeles Union Station, 1980s, there were I think about seven departures a day, four to San Diego, which had somehow held on as a "corridor", and one each up the coast to Seattle, on the ATSF to Chicago, and the southern tier to New Orleans. And that was it. For this all 10 original platforms appeared still available. Unusually for a US dead-end station the grand main building is all to one side rather than across the end, the tracks terminating against a wall with The 101 freeway immediately beyond, giving passing views of the Amtrak coaches stabled there (and where, against that boundary wall, we once saw when passing on the road the police had a group of suspects all out of their car and spreadeagled against the wall, just like something from a Hollywood cop show).

The cavernous main station building had a range of services fit for a major terminal; staff all around, taxi rank, ticket office, left luggage, coffee shop, security guards (of course), even a florist I think. Just bereft of passengers for much of the day. And unless a passenger there was no chance of getting beyond, through the subways to the platforms. It was a 1940 architectural showpiece of Los Angeles, and actually still is. Metrolink commuter trains coming back to LA have picked it up.
 

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When I first knew Los Angeles Union Station, 1980s, there were I think about seven departures a day, four to San Diego, which had somehow held on as a "corridor", and one each up the coast to Seattle, on the ATSF to Chicago, and the southern tier to New Orleans. And that was it. For this all 10 original platforms appeared still available. Unusually for a US dead-end station the grand main building is all to one side rather than across the end, the tracks terminating against a wall with The 101 freeway immediately beyond, giving passing views of the Amtrak coaches stabled there (and where, against that boundary wall, we once saw when passing on the road the police had a group of suspects all out of their car and spreadeagled against the wall, just like something from a Hollywood cop show).

The cavernous main station building had a range of services fit for a major terminal; staff all around, taxi rank, ticket office, left luggage, coffee shop, security guards (of course), even a florist I think. Just bereft of passengers for much of the day. And unless a passenger there was no chance of getting beyond, through the subways to the platforms. It was a 1940 architectural showpiece of Los Angeles, and actually still is. Metrolink commuter trains coming back to LA have picked it up.
Yes, it is a bit odd how the platforms just end with no building and the Metrolink operation does make it more interesting (especially at the time this photo was taken).
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(photo of Los Angeles Union station with four Metrolink services in, all having hired BNSF AC4400CW locos on them)
 

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When I first knew Los Angeles Union Station, 1980s, there were I think about seven departures a day, four to San Diego, which had somehow held on as a "corridor", and one each up the coast to Seattle, on the ATSF to Chicago, and the southern tier to New Orleans.
When I visited in 1986 there was also the route to Chicago via Salt Lake City (combining there with portions from Seattle and Oakland, only the last still runs) but the New Orleans service was only three times weekly.
 

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Unusually for a US dead-end station the grand main building is all to one side rather than across the end, the tracks terminating against a wall with The 101 freeway immediately beyond,
Yes, it is a bit odd how the platforms just end with no building and the Metrolink operation does make it more interesting
My understanding is it was designed like that to allow it to be converted to a through station in the future, if desired. In more recent times (post-Metrolink and increased 'Surfliner' regional services) that has been more seriously looked at to improve efficiency. It's busier now than it's ever been (although well below European levels of train movements for a station with 12 platform faces and 5 approach tracks).
 

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Maybe it was the circle I was in when living in LA, but I encountered hardly anybody who worked downtown and would find Metrolink's services useful for commuting. There's quite an array of high rise offices there, but rents there were always well below what was charged on the west side. There's the city authorities, and some lawyers, but the predominant entertainment, design, publishing and high-tech offices are well away from there. It's not Manhattan. Even most tourists to the urban area never go downtown.
 

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Maybe it was the circle I was in when living in LA, but I encountered hardly anybody who worked downtown and would find Metrolink's services useful for commuting. There's quite an array of high rise offices there, but rents there were always well below what was charged on the west side. There's the city authorities, and some lawyers, but the predominant entertainment, design, publishing and high-tech offices are well away from there. It's not Manhattan. Even most tourists to the urban area never go downtown.

LA Union Station has slowly become a major transit interchange hub, with platforms on three 'Metro Rail' subway/light rail lines and a bus/coach station ('Transit Plaza') alongside it. It's no NY GCT, Penn, Jamaica or Chicago Union station, nor do I think it ever will or could be, but (according to Wikipedia) it's in the league of Washington Union Station in terms of rail passenger numbers.
 
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I've often wonderered if you can buy a platform ticket at some Amtrak Stations. You can get on the platform at Newark Penn as commuter trains the same platforms - and I dare say of other stations but I can't think of any.
 

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I've often wonderered if you can buy a platform ticket at some Amtrak Stations. You can get on the platform at Newark Penn as commuter trains the same platforms - and I dare say of other stations but I can't think of any.
In Washington state, the new Tacoma station is a two-platform affair used by both Amtrak and the commuter trains (Sounder), and there's nothing controlling platform access - commuter fares are done by tapping in on the platform but there's no gateline.

I suspect Seattle's similar, but it has more platforms and I'm not entirely sure if they maintain a separation between Amtrak and Sounder platforms.
 

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When I last used Seattle King Street station there was a member of Amtrak staff controlling access to the platforms à la Avanti Euston.
 

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Crikey! They had three doors open and available for boarding at Ashland this morning 09:26 May 4th.
 

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It’s always entertaining watching the Southwest Chief stop at La Plata, Missouri, on the Virtual Railfans webcams. The whole station stop is done in slow-time with no sense or urgency at all. It usually stands over the level crossing for at least 10 minutes while a big queue of passengers very slowly shows their tickets and boards one-by-one through a single door. I’ve seen them even close the door mid queue and move the train along the platform by a coach length to let passengers board at the door in the next coach, rather than getting the remaining passengers to walk down to the other door. From a British perspective it’s insane but a lot of stuff they do on the railroads over there looks like utter madness to us.

There are several odd aspects to La Plata, including that the platform was completely rebuilt two or three years ago - but still with only a short high-level section, and a narrow ramp between that and the rest of the station. Since passengers are corralled in front of the station building until the train has arrived (allegedly for safety reasons) that guarantees congestion on the ramp.
Then there's often the need to board some passengers in the sleepers at the front and others in coach class at the rear. Some crews manage to stop so that both are alongside the platform (albeit one end on the low level) meaning both can happen at once, but many others board at one door, move the train up, then board at the second.
Sometimes Amtrak comes in on the far track (at the freight dispatcher's decision) which means passengers crossing the near track and boarding one door at a time from a small ground level slab. I presume there are measures in place to prevent freight trains using the near track during this time!
Finally, it's not unknown for eastbound trains to overshoot the platform altogether, and either back up, or load and unload passengers on the road crossing using a step stool.
Overall it seems to mean that getting a couple of dozen passengers on and off takes up to ten minutes. Not to mention that some of the operating practices would surely have British train crew up for an awkward interview if used here!
Have been to/from La Plata a few times over the years - but no longer that our friend in Kirksville has retired to Kansas. Big issue, especially when heading for Chicago, is that the train (Southwest Chief) comes from LA, and may a number of hours late by the time it gets to La Plata ....
 
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And of course, all that infrastructure sees at most three trains a day...
Of course at the time New Orleans station was built, it had more service than it does today. The new services planned to Mobile AL and to Baton Rouge LA will help take up some of that excess capacity.
I've often wondered if you can buy a platform ticket at some Amtrak Stations. You can get on the platform at Newark Penn as commuter trains the same platforms - and I dare say of other stations but I can't think of any.
No platform tickets here unfortunately. Many stations with commuter service can be accessed but unfortunately there is a move to add barriers requiring tickets to be scanned at some stations such as Boston and Philadelphia. In Boston South Station this will be particularly annoying as the direct access from the station concourse to the bus station (coach station in UKese) via platform 1 will no longer be possible requiring a trip outside in the weather.
 

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Interesting developments, is payment avoidance becoming a bigger thing in the States then?
 
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