• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Blackpool Transport Discussion

Harvey10

Member
Joined
20 Jun 2014
Messages
31
Looking through their social media looks like more service changes in September potentially. People have been asking about the 3/3A I personally thought they might’ve renumbered these back to services 3 & 4.

No news regarding the resort rider service 2 from Cala Gran this year.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

satters

Member
Joined
25 Mar 2020
Messages
50
Location
Stourbridge
can anyone give a brief and simple explanation as to what is happening with the Blackpool heritage trams, are they doomed or not?
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
650
Looking through their social media looks like more service changes in September potentially. People have been asking about the 3/3A I personally thought they might’ve renumbered these back to services 3 & 4.

No news regarding the resort rider service 2 from Cala Gran this year.
Judging from this change, it seems going forward they want similar numbers together along shared corridors - hence the use of the 8 and 10 to fit in with the 7 and 11.

I was surprised the 3A didn’t revert back to 4 aswell - however potentially they’ll be looking to keep that number spare for now to break up the 5/A/B/C down the line.
 

Kaliwax

Member
Joined
24 Oct 2023
Messages
286
Location
UK
Wonder if we will see lots of cuts coming to their network in the forthcoming years with a new MD coming in
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
650
Wonder if we will see lots of cuts coming to their network in the forthcoming years with a new MD coming in
Not necessarily. Although I’d be interested to see how/what exactly it is that they’re currently losing money on.

The network has already been significantly reduced in terms of frequency in the past few years and there’s more fleet flexibility since the abolishment of the coloured lines; although I was surprised when they introduced the brand names, albeit used only in marketing material.

Guess it depends on if/when the electric fleet ever arrives. Let’s hope the new MD introduces a more aesthetically pleasing livery - the drab greys and blacks (pre palladium). They should also make some money from the sale of the current fleet.
 

Cesarcollie

Member
Joined
5 Jun 2016
Messages
822
Not necessarily. Although I’d be interested to see how/what exactly it is that they’re currently losing money on.

The network has already been significantly reduced in terms of frequency in the past few years and there’s more fleet flexibility since the abolishment of the coloured lines; although I was surprised when they introduced the brand names, albeit used only in marketing material.

Guess it depends on if/when the electric fleet ever arrives. Let’s hope the new MD introduces a more aesthetically pleasing livery - the drab greys and blacks (pre palladium). They should also make some money from the sale of the current fleet.

I suspect the tram operation loses most of it!
 

Kaliwax

Member
Joined
24 Oct 2023
Messages
286
Location
UK
I wonder if the tramway is what put private companies off from buying Blackpool Transport
 

Tramfan

Member
Joined
19 Mar 2011
Messages
677
Location
.
Guess it depends on if/when the electric fleet ever arrives. Let’s hope the new MD introduces a more aesthetically pleasing livery
Be nice to see a modern take on the green and cream colour scheme, though I did always rather like the Metro Coastlines liveries. They were pretty good at keeping the buses on their respective routes, with the "pool livery" being applied to various buses to be used as spares.
 

Kaliwax

Member
Joined
24 Oct 2023
Messages
286
Location
UK
Be nice to see a modern take on the green and cream colour scheme, though I did always rather like the Metro Coastlines liveries. They were pretty good at keeping the buses on their respective routes, with the "pool livery" being applied to various buses to be used as spares.

Agreed, the only specific thing that applied in Coastlines days was that the 14 had to be low floor, if a Trident wasn't available, then a Pool Trident or Pool Excel had to be substituted on it, heck even pool livered Solos appeared on it from time to time
 

NJR B312

New Member
Joined
14 Oct 2023
Messages
1
Location
England
The renumbering that came at the start of 2024 was needless, because it basically undid what the Metro Coastlines scheme sought to do (and was largely preserved post 2010), which was simplify the routes as at the time we basically had the BTS and Fylde network smushed together. Giving most of the suffixed routes an actual number again makes it easier to figure out what you're actually after. The 5C is still direly in need of separating from the other 5s though given it only really shares road with the others between The Vic and Grange Road, and at Poulton.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Agreed, the only specific thing that applied in Coastlines days was that the 14 had to be low floor, if a Trident wasn't available, then a Pool Trident or Pool Excel had to be substituted on it, heck even pool livered Solos appeared on it from time to time
Was rather amusing when the route branding ended and 7 Optare Deltas appeared on the 14 on 26.7.2010
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
650
Be nice to see a modern take on the green and cream colour scheme, though I did always rather like the Metro Coastlines liveries. They were pretty good at keeping the buses on their respective routes, with the "pool livery" being applied to various buses to be used as spares.
At the time of its inception wasn’t Metro Coastlines one of the leaders in introducing a full livery as part of a coloured network brand? I know Nottingham was also around that time with Go2 - Reading didn’t start until 2004.

Wasn’t Metro also a Best Impressions job?

The fleet has come leaps and bounds since the Delta and Olympian days.
 

Towers

Established Member
Joined
30 Aug 2021
Messages
2,964
Location
UK
The fleet has come leaps and bounds since the Delta and Olympian days.
Yes and no; the Deltas were decent high spec vehicles for their day, high backed seats and far more modern looking than a lot of what else was available. The rag bag fleet of Olympians not so much, althought the native Volvo batch were decent enough.

Some might argue that rattling E200s could be a backwards step!

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

can anyone give a brief and simple explanation as to what is happening with the Blackpool heritage trams, are they doomed or not?
Who knows. Hopefully not, but it remains a distinct possibility, regretfully.
 
Last edited:

jumble

Established Member
Joined
1 Jul 2011
Messages
1,484
can anyone give a brief and simple explanation as to what is happening with the Blackpool heritage trams, are they doomed or not?
No One knows
Lets hope that it is the same situation as the Douglas Horse trams that were announced to be closing in 2016

Ironic quote from below
(perhaps they should have taken a trip over the Irish Sea to Blackpool to see how volunteers can help cut costs in operating a heritage tram service?)



In a shock announcement Douglas Borough Council have revealed that the Douglas Horse Tramway is to close with immediate effect due to “the increased financial burden on Douglas ratepayers”. The project to merge the horse stables and tramway depot into one building seems to have been the final straw which caused the decision with Councillors deciding it was not a viable idea.



A special meeting of the Council was held on Thursday 21st January where the decision was made with “regret” (with obviously no consideration taken towards the history and tourism). There had been no indication in the lead up to this meeting that this decision was on the way coming hot on the heels of the sold out Santa Specials in December and with preparations underway to celebrate the 140th anniversary in August.

The key factors in the final decision were the continued year on year deficit – currently running at £263,000 – coupled with the associated loan charge equating to an annual impact on the rates of over £420,000. In addition the decision made by the Council last year to merge the Tramway Terrace stables site with the tramway hub at the Strathallan site has added to the financial burden. This scheme was expected to cost £2.9 million (with the Council having to finance the scheme by a thirty year loan which would cost £4.8 million over its life) and members of the Executive and Regeneration and Community Committees decided in December not to proceed with the project as it was “not financially viable” and there were still “a number of unresolved issues”.

Cllr David Christian MBE JP, Leader of Douglas Borough Council, justified the Council’s decision like this: “The Council must always act in the best interests of the ratepayers of Douglas. To continue operating the horse tram service would place an unacceptable level of burden on the ratepayer, not only for the coming financial year, but also for the foreseeable future. The Council recognises the important contribution the service has made to the Island’s vintage transport heritage but Douglas, as with all local authorities, is having to make difficult decisions to fund, protect and develop key services. The Council has a duty to face and adapt to stark financial realities, to maintain a firm grip on its finances and deliver value for money to the ratepayer. Were the Council to continue operating the horse tram service it would be failing in that duty.”

Cllr John Skinner, Regeneration and Community Chairman, added: “I should like to take this opportunity to thank the tramway staff for their hard work and long-standing commitment to the service, also to the many local residents and visitors who have supported the horse tram service over the years. The Council recognises the affection in which the horse tram service is held, both in the island and around the world, but these are difficult times that demand rigorous examination of expenditure, current and future. Against this background the horse tram service is, regrettably, no longer sustainable.”

With the decision now made the Council will look to relocate the horses who have maintained the service to good homes whilst the trams themselves will be offered to transport museums either on the Isle of Man or in the UK. Unfortunately with the number of trams still at Strathallan and the number of transport museums likely to be interested (bearing in mind the gauge of the Douglas Horse Tramway) the stark reality of this is that some of the trams may end up being scrapped. The stables and depot will also be offered for sale.

With the news coming as a shock to supporters of the Douglas Horse Tramway and tram enthusiasts in general there has been little reaction so far but Manx National Heritage have released a statement expressing their disappointment. The statement reads: “Manx National Heritage is extremely disappointed at today’s announcement from Douglas Corporation regarding the closure of the Isle of Man’s iconic Horse Trams. The announcement is contrary to reassurances Manx National Heritage has previously received from Douglas Corporation. The Isle of Man’s historic transport network is an important part of the Isle of Man’s Visitor Economy and part of our unique offering as a visitor destination. It is disappointing that Douglas Corporation are not seeing the opportunities presented by the Isle of Man’s new Destination Management Plan developed in partnership with public and private sectors, especially given that in recent years, leisure tourism here has seen double digit growth. In particular major UK travel companies such as Great Rail Journeys have started to bring substantial numbers of groups to the Island.
 

Topmandog1

Member
Joined
18 Apr 2026
Messages
28
Location
England
Nobody posted this in March 2024

Blackpool Transport facing legal action from manufacturer Wrightbus over zero emission bus order

nothing else seems to have come from it, and Blackpool transport seem to have made no further attempts on building electric charging points
I believe Jane Cole did say in 2025 at a Tramway Trust meeting even about the tramway as side comments on the heritage being paused that the Zebra Fund was paused due to "Concerns with electric fires" and that if they did continue with a new zebra funding it would only be a part replacement of the fleet, but this is only word of mouth from someone who attended and not anything that is backable with evidence so do with that what you will
 

Cesarcollie

Member
Joined
5 Jun 2016
Messages
822
Nobody posted this in March 2024

Blackpool Transport facing legal action from manufacturer Wrightbus over zero emission bus order

nothing else seems to have come from it, and Blackpool transport seem to have made no further attempts on building electric charging points
I believe Jane Cole did say in 2025 at a Tramway Trust meeting even about the tramway as side comments on the heritage being paused that the Zebra Fund was paused due to "Concerns with electric fires" and that if they did continue with a new zebra funding it would only be a part replacement of the fleet, but this is only word of mouth from someone who attended and not anything that is backable with evidence so do with that what you will

There is an article in the latest ‘Buses’ Magazine about Blackpool Transport, based around the forthcoming ALBUM conference being held there. It references the electric bus plans. (* ALBUM = Association of Local Bus Managers).
 

Edvid

Established Member
Joined
7 Feb 2008
Messages
2,472
Said article is also published on the magazine site.

Zero emission timing

Blackpool has been awarded ZEBRA funding for a zero emission transition, but when the council looked at the business plan it was hesitant to invest fully in the technology, believing it was not sufficiently tried and tested.

“The funding is still available, but we have had to cautiously look at the market and decide whether it’s the right time for us to do this,” Cole said.

Some of the preparation work has already been done. A new substation is in place to supply power, and the operator’s engineering facilities have been modernised, with a new garage built which is capable of housing and maintaining electric buses. The operator has been working closely with infrastructure and bus providers to understand what the costs are and the scheme makes commercial sense.

“While we’ve been doing that over the last four years, technology has improved, bus prices have come down slightly and there is more integrated working between the bus supplier and charging infrastructure providers,” Cole said.

“I think we’re in a position now in Blackpool for a decision to be made about whether to go forward with electric. That decision will be for the new Managing Director and the council.” The ongoing combined authority change could also have an impact on the decision.

Cole pointed out that many of the operator’s current buses still have 10-12 years of service life in them.
 

Harvey10

Member
Joined
20 Jun 2014
Messages
31

Service 3 Cleveleys – Bispham – Blackpool – Mereside​

From 30 August 2026 Blackpool Transport will revise the route and timetable, adjusting the service in the Bispham area to no longer serve Faraday Way, which will be covered by Service 18.

Service 4 Cleveleys Park – Cleveleys – Bispham – Blackpool – Mereside​

From 30 August 2026 Blackpool Transport will renumber the service from 3A and revise the route and timetable, adjusting the service between Norbreck and Cleveleys to operate via Fleetwood Road rather than Valeway, North Drive and Anchorsholme Lane East, which are largely covered by Service 3. The timetable will be adjusted to reflect the revised route.

Service 18 Poulton – Bispham – Victoria Hospital – Mereside – South Shore - Blackpool​

From 30 August 2026 Blackpool Transport will revise the route and timetable, adjusting

service between Victoria Hospital and South Park Drive to operate all journeys via North Park Drive and West Park Drive, rather than East Park Drive. The timetable will be adjusted to reflect the revised route.

Source: https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/roads...nsport/bus-service-changes-and-consultations/
 

Top