Joseph_Locke
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WCML - insulated overlap - neutral section - insulated overlap - wires to Chorley, that way the NS can be isolated for inspection and maintenance, as they are delicate flowers ...
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WCML - insulated overlap - neutral section - insulated overlap - wires to Chorley, that way the NS can be isolated for inspection and maintenance, as they are delicate flowers ...
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GRALISTAIR
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Thank you sir.
LDECRexile
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...and Reg has kindly sent photos of these developments.
I've added them to his album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157671732263863
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633
Thank you Reg.
CAF397
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No you misunderstand me, the insulator is attached to the contact wire, and the Catenary wire directly above the Up Bolton and Down Bolton, with no other wires around - so no chance of mistaking them for anything else in that location.
As I said they are immediately beyond the points for Euxton Jn, nowhere near the neutral section.
Put it this way, if currently an electric train wanted to transverse the Bolton line from Euxton jn then the pantograph head would hit an insulator.
I will aim for a photograph tomorrow, but it will be from a moving train doing 60mph so not sure of the outcome!
I am aware of Mr Locke's comments previously suggesting no electric traction can run without the Great Extension Lead, however I am led to believe that contingency plans are being devised to adjust the feeding of a whole range of surrounding routes such that there would be enough power to drive at least a basic electric service on 'our' line without it. Don't know the details but promising if true.
Foggycorner
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I was on Bolton Station this morning and low and behold Platform 1 has got C&C wires up right through with only some temp fittings
so thats all the wire runs completed just fixings to finish off
so thats all the wire runs completed just fixings to finish off
Bertie the bus
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The truth is, come the December timetable change, nothing tangible will be changing. Passengers will be travelling on the same DMUs. If anything, should the rail industry be stupid enough to make a big media circus of it, the tiny amount of credibility they have will disappear. What are they going to say? Enjoy looking at all these shiny new masts and wires from the same Pacers you have been travelling on for the last 30 years. Hasn't the years of disruption been worthwhile!
superkev
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I wonder if railway keyboards particularity nationalised network rail have a key labelled "delayed" to save typing it so often.
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Joseph_Locke
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Elecman
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As previously mentioned Catterall has been upgraded and now no longer feeds Northwards to provide power for Euxton-Ordsall Lane
GRALISTAIR
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What powers this bit (northwards) then -Great Strickland?
Elecman
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Oxenholme wich replaced Natland
Joseph Locke has posted this on SSC:
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=152907202&postcount=4372
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=152907202&postcount=4372
Greybeard33
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TfN has confirmed no change to the Bolton line timetable until May 2019. Before then, I think the only services on which EMUs could be substituted for DMUs are the hourly Victoria to Buckshaw Parkway and the hourly Piccadilly to Blackpool North via Bolton. Not a huge additional demand on the power supply.
The Manchester Airport to Preston via Bolton diagrams include workings to Barrow in Furness, so I think they will have to remain DMU operated until May.
GRALISTAIR
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They can be substituted before then but just run to the old timetable.
themiller
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As Carnforth to Barrow has no wires, I would suggest that airport trains to and from there will remain diesel powered for the foreseeable future!
But if the timetable changes in May, it may give the opportunity for Barrow workings to be split off, so Preston works could become EMUs (which I think is the point being made)
themiller
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When the Bolton line is accepted into electric service, I would expect a revamp of the diagrams such that electric diagrams are completely separate from diesel diagrams. We'll have to wait and see what happens regarding stock to Barrow as well. If bi-modes are deployed on the route, will they go on to Carlisle or will the Barrow to Carlisle line stock also be completely separated (possibly being transferred to Heaton?
Greybeard33
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Yes, Northern intends to introduce the proper post-electrification timetable in May 2019, place of the current bodge.
The Victoria to Buckshaw Parkway service will be extended to Preston and the Piccadilly to Blackpool North service will become Hazel Grove to Blackpool North again. The Airport to Blackpool North service will revert to the Bolton line instead of running via the Chat Moss line. There will be an hourly DMU service from the Airport to Lancaster via the Chat Moss line, calling at Wigan North Western, which will extend to Barrow in some hours and Windermere in others.
jonesy3001
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Don't forget the TPE service to scotland will be calling at bolton again.
Greybeard33
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No, possibly not. The Rail North Committee report, see https://transportforthenorth.com/calendar/rail-north-committee-9-october-2018/, says that TPE now intends to continue the existing Manchester to Scotland services after the May timetable change. That implies they will continue to use the Chat Moss line, non-stop between Piccadilly and Preston.
jonesy3001
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Probably better off going via eccles then on the bolton line incase of a breakdown or a delayed stopper.
...and stops them getting swamped with short distance Manchester-Bolton passengers!
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If true I think I'm totally done with UK Rail. I cannot deal with these morons in charge anymore.
thealexweb
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They were to be pick up only / step down only so wouldn't be advertised to Bolton to Manchester passengers. However if many do TPE is powerless to do anything, you can't process the volume in the 20 min journey.
thealexweb
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Eccles route is longer, slower and involves more WCML running which arguably is very congested too...
Chrisyd
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I must admit the only way I could see this working at Bolton is if the Manchester trains went to Platform 4 (the island platform for trains heading North) which has Bidirectional signals, there are no announcements so everyone waiting for Manchester trains is on the opposite island. The idea that a shiny train is going to pull into platform 3 not crush loaded, open its doors and everyone will say "I will respect the announcement and wait for the shorter train behind" is fanciful at best.
At least coming out of Manchester you don't list Bolton and aside from those ‘in the know’ people won’t get on.
That said as a Bolton resident I think these trains should return as promised and they need to find a solution.
Whilst Bolton-Scotland direct trains would no doubt be a useful link, it does seem odd to take up Bolton corridor capacity (especially in the peak) for a pick up/set down call.
Though a compromise might be for an open stop on the up (so longer distance passengers already have seats), pick up only on the down.
Though a compromise might be for an open stop on the up (so longer distance passengers already have seats), pick up only on the down.
LNW-GW Joint
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I'm not sure you can read "via Golborne" into what is said in the TfGM document, it just says Manchester-Scotland (plus Liverpool-Glasgow).
I would also think that if TPE runs via Golborne, the Northern Cumbria service will have to run via Bolton (ie the reverse of what was originally planned).
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