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edwin_m

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I reckon Liverpool-Glasgow will be great and I'll use it myself.

It is the only example of service enhancement that I know of and I salute it. Are there more coming?

But why couldn't it have been done without electrification?
It could have been done with 185s, although probably in slightly slower timings. That would have required a lot of diesel working under the wires north of Preston and perhaps also into Manchester depending how the diagrams work.

There probably wouldn't have been three London-Blackpool trains per day without electrification, as VT doesn't have spare Voyagers.
 

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A common theme here is that these electrifications and route improvements are responses to growth, not drivers. I would hope that electrification would at least be an accelerant - the Sparks Effect. No-one could be more in favour of the Blackpool-Manchester-Liverpool electrification than me, but as I think LNW-GW once said, it has only enhanced capacity (4-car 319s) and made some improvement to quality (refurbished 319s), not brought eye-catching service improvements such as journey times or extra destinations, or am I being impatient?

I think the speed up in journey times between Liverpool and Manchester happened in December 2017. Note they are timed as Class 319s vice Class 14x and 15x units.
 

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Also the May timetable shows 50 minute off peak journey times Preston to Lime Street, which is a significant improvement. Unfortunately, peak morning services will be stoppers though.

I hadn't noticed that improvement.
It's the first time the 319s have been had their capability properly exploited.
 

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Also the May timetable shows 50 minute off peak journey times Preston to Lime Street, which is a significant improvement. Unfortunately, peak morning services will be stoppers though.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y23223/2018/05/21/advanced

Good spot. Ten minutes off an hour is significant.

Looking at an example in detail, the 2N72 07:56 Lime St to Blackpool North tomorrow arrives at 09:25, taking 1hr 29m, whereas
the 1N81 07:36 from Lime St on 21st May arrives at Blackpool North at 08:52, taking just 1hr 16m, a 17% saving.
 
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In the 1980s I used to work in London and I remember getting the Pullman from Blackpool to London. It only made a couple of stops, usually at Preston and Crewe. it was insanely fast taking around three hours to get to Euston and if I remember right, it would sometimes do it in less than three hours, just stopping at Crewe. also back then I got a card off London Underground where I worked that got me 90% off rail fares, and for a £1 I could reserve a seat, and for an extra £1 I could upgrade to first class...


And anyway here's week 5 of my electrification videos. They have started putting down the tracks in this one and the site looks more level and less of a mudbath. Anyone can share or link this video anywhere they want to.
 

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I'll hang fire on the GSoP for this week - got a lot of revision to do, and there hasn't been enough progress to deem (in my mind) an update.
Stay tuned for next Monday, folks.
no longer; while I was originally going to put it off for a week, I noticed that @LDECRexile has just posted shots on Flickr (and a corresponding post here) so I'll put it up later this evening.

Apologies for the indecision!
 
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How much faster could Kirkham have been by putting both tracks south of the island and building a new down platform on the south side?
If you look at an OS map, it wouldn't really help. The recent realignment uses existing bridge portals and the route is only gently curved. I wonder if the 60 limit is temporary because of the new formation, and will be increased in the near future. To build a new platform on the south side would involve a new bridge under the road , demolition of a terrace of houses and a pub now used as flats, and rerouting of the access road to Network Rail and private property.
 

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I travelled Salford Crescent to Blackpool North and back today.

There are signs of life at Salford Crescent Platform 2.
A new TTC complete with danglies has gone up at Bolton.
Other things south of Euxton as per photos.

Blackpool North looks less like a building site.

A TPE Class 185 passed me at Kirkham and Wesham at 11:53, presumably on a crew-refreshing run.

The bad news is that work appears to have stopped some time ago on Yarrow Viaduct. Bill Morton and I corresponded after his photos yesterday and what he described of the more northerly workings on the viaduct it looks as if work came to an abrupt halt shortly after my last photoset there on 22nd March. The blokes doing the work appeared to be specialist subcontractors, were they victims of the Carillion collapse?

The Yarrow Viaduct photoset is here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157695247027154

I've added today's shots to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633
 

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Manchester Victoria - Preston; State of Play, week beginning 23rd April 2018.

About 85 mast foundations left to install between Euxton Jct & Ordsall Lane Jct (at this point in time).
All mileages from Manchester Victoria. Bridge mileages are approximated where noted.


1. Man Vic Station (West End) - Man Vic West Jct - Deal Street Jct; 0m 0ch to 0m 32ch
Fully wired 2013-15.

2. Deal Street Jct - Salford Central (East End); 0m 32ch to 0m 59ch
Fully masted, wired half way as overlap.

3. Salford Central; 0m 59ch
Fully masted, most SPS (Small Part Steelwork e.g. dangly bits) up. No wires.

4. Salford Central (West End) - Windsor Bridge South Jct; 0m 59ch to 1m 46ch
All bases in place, mostly with masts, no wires.

5. Windsor Bridge South Jct - Windsor Bridge North Jct (inc. Salford Crescent); 1m 46ch to 1m 70ch
No wires. No bases in Salford Crescent P2, though Orangemen were out & about spraying fresh paint on the small retaining wall on April 23rd; these may be potential positions for new masts, huzzah!
Both tracks to the east of Salford Crescent (the Up & Down Bolton thru P1, and the Up Bolton immediately to the east of that) are completely bedanglied through the station.


S Jct looks ready for wiring, but mast gaps still present at N Jct. Lots of SPS up immediately north of Salford Cres.; all stalactites up beneath the bridge at the south end on all lines.

6. Windsor Bridge North Jct - Clifton (South End); 1m 70ch to 4m 57ch
Many bases in place, some with masts, no wires.
Dangly bits up near Agecroft.
At Pendleton (the Old Station site), just north of Broughton Rd Bridge (2m 26ch), the Pendleton retaining wall has been cut back in several places to make room for bases (which are all now in).
Between Frederick Rd & Broughton Rd (2m 26ch) bridges, most masts are up, except on the "problem bases" around Broughton Rd. The 3 bases, between Broughton Rd Bridge & Cockrobin Bridge (approx. 2m 51ch) have all now been driven home.
The "problem base" north of Cockrobin Bridge may be a TTC (Twin Track Cantilever) on the s'bound side (see photo A020m).
Structure going up between Agecroft Rd bridge and Clifton, nr Lumns Lane.
No work on missing bases in the walled stretch north of Agecroft Rd.
Lot of masts with SPS up on the southern approach to Clifton.

7. Clifton Station; 4m 57ch
All bases in place, 1 boomed TTC, no wires. SPS up on the TTC.

8. Clifton (North End) - Kearsley (South End); 4m 57ch to 7m 57ch
Most/all bases in place, large no. of masts, no wires.
Concrete slab base curing north of the former Dixon Fold station site (around the new footbridge, approx. 6m 00ch); most/all masts up there, with lots of stovepipes up.

9. Kearsley Station; 7m 57ch
All bases in place, no masts, no wires.

10. Kearsley (North End) - Farnworth (South End); 7m 57ch to 8m 31ch
Some bases in place, some masts (with booms), no wires. Farnworth tunnel (8m 25ch) has all its registration arms in place.
10 masts (7 on the southbound side, 3 on the northbound side) between Kearsley & Farnworth Tunnel.

11. Farnworth Station; 8m 31ch
All bases in place, 1 or 2 masts, no wires.

12. Farnworth (North End) - Moses Gate (South End); 8m 31ch to 9m 06ch
A pair of bases & squat masts are up between Farnworth Station footbridge and Rawson St Bridge (approx. 8m 44ch).
Fully boomed and partially bedanglied TTCs up between Rawson St & the Balustraded Bridge (approx. 8m 56ch).
The Gravity "Base of the century" just south of the Squeeze Belly Entry footbridge (approx. 8m 67ch) is now curing away nicely.

13. Moses Gate Station; 9m 06ch
Fully masted, no wires

14. Moses Gate (North End) - Bolton (South End); 9m 06ch to 10m 50ch
Many bases, many masts, no wires. SPS and Tensorex drums appearing on some masts/cantilevers around Burnden Jct (10m 09ch). Weston St to Moses Gate looks almost ready for wiring.

15. Bolton Station; 10m 50ch
Many bases, some masts; P1 & P5 among them. New bases have gone in at the NW end of P3. The TTC up over P1/2 has now been bedanglied. Platforms 98% open to public; the 2% not open is a fenced-off section of canopy support to the right of signal "MP9239". P2 buffers look finished. Canopies look complete. Settlement Monitoring equipment between P3 & P4 now removed.still in situ.

16. Bolton (North End) - Lostock (South End); 10m 50ch to 13m 52ch
More masts (approx. 6) up between Bolton Stn and Newport St bridge; Newport St bridge has now had studs/brackets of some kind drilled in.
Bullfield Tunnel bedanglied throughout, with 2 concrete gravity pad foundations at the southern end (one of which is masted) Just north of those, a 3rd base is currently curing.
Also, masts (including 2 TTCs) and bases in place on the line to Blackburn as far as Bradshawgate Tunnel.

Most masts up around Dean Clough Bridge (12m 26ch), with cantilever assembles affixed (and folded out of place). 2 "failed" driven pile bases on the southbound side now have formwork for concrete gravity pad replacements in position, awaiting the concrete pour.

Just south of Lostock, outstanding short, fat bases are being driven, augered out, rebarred and then concreted; this process is also being used on the overrun for the Wigan lines, via Lostock Jct (13m 39ch). Masts are starting to appear immediately south of Lostock; at the extreme southern end of the station, a twin track portal with SPS has been erected. 3 "failed" protruding, uncapped pile bases are on the Wigan Line; one assumes that gravity pad replacements will eventually be in the offing.

A UTX (aka. "Dalek") has been installed in the "vee" in Lostock Jct, for buried service access.
Work currently going on with stacks of cable ducting on the Wigan Line - possibly from the substation?

17. Lostock Station; 13m 52ch
Some bases in place, no masts, no wires. Switchgear box delivered 6th April '18.

18. Lostock (North End) - Horwich Pkwy (South End); 13m 52ch to 15m 50ch
For a mile between the stations, all wires up from the "Golf Course" Footbridge (approx. 14m 04ch) to half a mile south of Horwich Pkwy. All masts appear to be in place with SPS for the remaining sections between the two.

19. Horwich Parkway Station; 15m 50ch
Some bases in place, no masts, no wires.

20. Horwich Pkwy (North End) - Blackrod (South End); 15m 50ch to 17m 14ch
All bases in place, mostly with masts. Earth/AT wires linking 9 masts together between the 2 stations, heading north (on the Up side) from immediately north of the M61 bridge (approx. 16m 29ch). 5 short lengths of earth & AT wiring (3 on the Up, 2 on the Down; none linking more than 10 masts) between Horwich and Buckshaw. SPS appearing on portals near Blackrod. Work has stopped on the footbridge that will replace Red Moss foot crossing.

21. Blackrod Station; 17m 14ch
Some more bases in place, no masts, no wires. Empty mast base at the southern end (not the northern end, as was writ in error).

22. Blackrod (North End) - Adlington (South End); 17m 14ch to 19m 15ch
Lots of masts up just north of Blackrod. Some base replacement work occurred over 17th/18th Feb to replace failed bases. Successful bases have masts up with SPS on.

23. Adlington Station; 19m 15ch
Some bases in place, 1 mast up (Down side), no wires.

24. Adlington (North End) - Chorley (South End); 19m 15ch to 22m 20ch
2 short stretches of wire on the s'bound track.
Bespoke mast fixings going up on Yarrow Viaduct (21m 26ch at the southern end); 3 of the 4 are in place. The southern pair are now in; the northern pair are still being installed.

25. Chorley Station; 22m 20ch
Some bases in place, no masts, no wires.

26. Chorley (North End) - Buckshaw Pkwy (South End); 22m 20ch to 24m 39ch
Many bases, some masts, 1 or 2 wires. No fittings up yet in Chorley Tunnel (23m 20ch to 23m 25ch), but at least 6 dangly bits/SPS are up in the Flying Arches cutting. All bases on top of the retaining wall at the northern are mastless.

27. Buckshaw Parkway Station; 24m 39ch
Some bases in place, 2 masts up (both on Down side), no wires.

28. Buckshaw Pkwy (North End) - Euxton Jct; 24m 39ch to 25m 31ch
Almost fully masted; about half the wires up until halfway to Euxton, then fully wired the rest of the way.

Do let me know if I've missed anything!
 
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15. Bolton....Settlement Monitoring equipment between P3 & P4 now removed. Not so, it's still there.

Otherwise, fab summary; keep up the good work, but don't blob your finals for it!
 

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15. Bolton....Settlement Monitoring equipment between P3 & P4 now removed. Not so, it's still there.

Otherwise, fab summary; keep up the good work, but don't blob your finals for it!
Ah, my mistake. I thought it looked as though it had been removed, judging by the photos.
 

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Good spot. Ten minutes off an hour is significant.

Looking at an example in detail, the 2N72 07:56 Lime St to Blackpool North tomorrow arrives at 09:25, taking 1hr 29m, whereas
the 1N81 07:36 from Lime St on 21st May arrives at Blackpool North at 08:52, taking just 1hr 16m, a 17% saving.

The trains are already timed for 100mph max 319, and between Preston and Huyton the running times are almost exactly the same station to station.

It would appear that the key is that while most services currently take 16 minutes to get from Huyton to Liverpool Lime Street, the new timetable gives them as few as 10. A non-stop train can complete the journey in as few as 7 minutes. So improved pathing appears to be much of the reason there.
 

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26. Chorley (North End) - Buckshaw Pkwy (South End); 22m 20ch to 24m 39ch
Many bases, some masts, 1 or 2 wires. No fittings up yet in Chorley Tunnel (23m 20ch to 23m 25ch), but at least 6 dangly bits/SPS are up in the Flying Arches cutting. All bases on top of the retaining wall at the northern are mastless.

There are brackets bases installed in the roof of Chorley tunnel. Noticed them a few weeks ago, thought I reported that at the time, along with the registration arms in the Flying Arches.
 

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A good view of the changes can be seen in this Blackpool-Kirkham cabview on youtube:



And now the rest of the ride from Kirkham to Preston has just been added by Paul Wilkinson. Very good it is and I can definitely recommend the ride for study.

 

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Next summer, probably, when the class 397 fleet arrives.
They have to replace the 350/4s on the Manchester-Scotland runs first.
 

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Wrinkley has kindly sent photos showing progress between Kearsley and Lostock.

He added:

"I've finally been able to get out following dealing with a leaking heating system and a wife on crutches for a few days after twisting her knee, but she’s back on two feet again now. [glad to hear that, ed]

Changes in some places, but little change in others.

More masts and cantilevers between Kearsley station and the tunnel.

Two short masts up between Rawson St and Farnworth station footbridge, I don’t think any more are needed as there are masts just the far side of the two bridges.

The megabase near Moses Gate has had the shuttering removed.

One or two more masts up between Bolton station and Newport St, and one waiting to be erected. A gravity base is covered up near Morrisons

New cable duct between Blackhorse St and Moor Lane.

The work on the land between the two lines at Lostock is for two more big black plastic sumps.

I think that there are more gravity bases by the up line near the big base at Dean Clough, difficult to see because the path is below the track. I will try to get some shots from the cemetery (if the residents don’t object!)."

I've added the shots to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157654034635234

and to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633

Thank you Wrinkley.
 
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