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rdeez

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Construction on the new station hit a milestone today with the completion of the demolition work creating the new atrium space.

The redevelopment of New Street Station has reached another major landmark after demolition work to create the wide open atrium came to an end.

More than 6,000 tonnes of concrete has been removed by a giant purpose-built demolition machine, called the Mega Muncher, to create space for the stunning atrium and flood the station with daylight.

Now demolition is complete new structures will be hung from the atrium steelwork and the building, which includes the Grand Central Shopping Centre and John Lewis store, will be fitted out ready for its grand opening in September.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/first-look-see-inside-new-8721079

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I'm confused about this - are they going to remove the roof between the station entrance/concourse and Grand Central so the atrium is visible from the station itself, or are they keeping the station ceiling and just building Grand Central on top (up the escalator to the Bullring) where the Pallisades was?
 

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I'm confused about this - are they going to remove the roof between the station entrance/concourse and Grand Central so the atrium is visible from the station itself, or are they keeping the station ceiling and just building Grand Central on top (up the escalator to the Bullring) where the Pallisades was?
Grand Central will occupy a balcony around the main concourse, so the central section of the station concourse will be open to the sunlight through the new glass roof.

See this image for a comparison of how the "finished product" is expected to look:
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/upload...s/Birmingham_New_Street/Imrad/AtriumLarge.jpg
 
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Yeah that's what I initially thought it was, but the news that concrete removal had "finished" was puzzling - the station ceiling is still there!

I'm guessing the covered area to the left and right is where the A and B end concourses are now - so the area behind the gateline with the burrito shop and seating etc. And the open area is the main concourse (the big open space as you walk in before the gateline?)

If I have that right, it's going to look incredible.
 

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Yeah that's what I initially thought it was, but the news that concrete removal had "finished" was puzzling - the station ceiling is still there!

I'm guessing the covered area to the left and right is where the A and B end concourses are now - so the area behind the gateline with the burrito shop and seating etc. And the open area is the main concourse (the big open space as you walk in before the gateline?)

If I have that right, it's going to look incredible.

That's how I understand the layout too. Long overdue for Birmingham to have a decent station!*

* Okay, Moor Street is really nice. Decent 'main' station
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Nice timelapse of the 'Mega muncher' at work:

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Gallery/Timelapse-film-demolition-at-Birmingham-New-Street-Station-22ad.aspx
 

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Great stuff, but one still has to descend into the draughty smelly dungeons to get an actual train. Sorry to be a wet blanket.
 

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Great stuff, but one still has to descend into the draughty smelly dungeons to get an actual train. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

Well...yes. :lol:

Significant amount of artistic license used here
http://www.newstreetnewstart.co.uk/construction-progress/photo-gallery/artist-impressions.aspx

However, looking on the bright side (pun not intended), think how much more bright, airy and altogether wonderful the concourse will appear for a visitor ascending from the depths, by contrast! ;)
 

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Great stuff, but one still has to descend into the draughty smelly dungeons to get an actual train. Sorry to be a wet blanket.

Well...yes. :lol:

Significant amount of artistic license used here
http://www.newstreetnewstart.co.uk/construction-progress/photo-gallery/artist-impressions.aspx

However, looking on the bright side (pun not intended), think how much more bright, airy and altogether wonderful the concourse will appear for a visitor ascending from the depths, by contrast! ;)

I forgot about the hidden announcement to replace the Pendos with Siemens Velaro's as well. I look forward to arriving in this bright new station that quite clearly isn't Birmingham New shopping-centre in a few years time. :lol:
 

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I forgot about the hidden announcement to replace the Pendos with Siemens Velaro's as well. I look forward to arriving in this bright new station that quite clearly isn't Birmingham New shopping-centre in a few years time. :lol:

The attached picture is no longer accurate as there are no central stairs in between the escalators - an inadequacy already touched upon in a recent thread on this forum regarding the poor reliability of the escalators.

And yes, as others point out, there remains very little that can be done about the stygian gloom of the platforms themselves, but I'm guessing the aim is that passengers will have plenty of room and things to occupy them above ground so that they don't descend to the platforms too early and so spend less time down there.
 

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Watch it go like Euston where platform allocations dont appear until 5-10 minutes before to keep people upstairs.
 

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Just to clarify, the photo was taken from concourse level. You can see the escalators on the left. These were briefly in use taking people between the concourse and the Pallasades levels. Once you got up to Pallasades, you had that circuitous route to reach the shops themselves. That route was closed and diverted to the "eye" in the north west corner.

The closest set of escalators on the left was the one just opposite the M&S Food. At the back of the picture is a greenish wall. On the other side of that is the passage through to the escalators and the "ticket barrier" (I put that in quotes as I've personally never been asked for a ticket there). This is the one you pass through if you enter the station through the current main entrance on Stephenson Street, walk down the ramp, and turn left opposite Boots instead of right.
 

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I put that in quotes as I've personally never been asked for a ticket there

Rather surprised to see the A end barriers fully staffed and giving every appearance of thoroughly checking every ticket yesterday lunchtime, along with three or four staff off to one side with machines for passengers with fares to pay. They'd all gone by the time I returned in early evening.
 

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Watch it go like Euston where platform allocations dont appear until 5-10 minutes before to keep people upstairs.

From what I was told on a tour of the construction site, that is the plan. I'm neither for nor against it - if it generates more rental income from retail which is reinvested in other station facilities passengers are still winners I guess.
 

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From what I was told on a tour of the construction site, that is the plan. I'm neither for nor against it - if it generates more rental income from retail which is reinvested in other station facilities passengers are still winners I guess.

Which would be great if the escalators could handle a large surge of people in one go. Something the plainly can't at the moment
 
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Is that picture looking down Hill Street?

No that is Queens Road which separated the LNW station (left) and the Midland station (right), therefore the photo is looking east. The photographer is standing near to the junction with Hill Street though.
 

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Rather surprised to see the A end barriers fully staffed and giving every appearance of thoroughly checking every ticket yesterday lunchtime, along with three or four staff off to one side with machines for passengers with fares to pay. They'd all gone by the time I returned in early evening.

Common during peak times, less so at other times.

It also sometimes happens that one set of barriers on the B end is manned, while the other is not, or A is manned while B is not, etc. If there's a logic to it, I can't see it!
 

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From what I was told on a tour of the construction site, that is the plan. I'm neither for nor against it - if it generates more rental income from retail which is reinvested in other station facilities passengers are still winners I guess.

Seems an odd thing to do as like Euston the platform plan doesnt change massively so people will still make their way down once they suss where their normal train goes from.
 

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Seems an odd thing to do as like Euston the platform plan doesnt change massively so people will still make their way down once they suss where their normal train goes from.

I've found New Street to be a lot less reliable with platform allocations. It's not at all an uncommon occurrence for a service to be re-platformed. This might actually make sense, as 'musical platforms' is a problem the station sometimes suffers from, and this way there won't be a mass movement from one platform to another when it's changed, as presumably it won't be announced until it's certain.

Out of interest, in terms of Passenger Information Systems, how are platform changes managed? Is there a direct link between the route set by the signaller and the PIS, or are changes entered manually?
 

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I've found New Street to be a lot less reliable with platform allocations. It's not at all an uncommon occurrence for a service to be re-platformed. This might actually make sense, as 'musical platforms' is a problem the station sometimes suffers from, and this way there won't be a mass movement from one platform to another when it's changed, as presumably it won't be announced until it's certain.

I agree. Besides which the platforms are fairly horrible places to wait, and some are so narrow that when people are waiting others passing by have to walk very close to the edge. Unlike some stations there is a fair amount of seating in the concourse, and will possibly be more when it is finished.
 

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I agree. Besides which the platforms are fairly horrible places to wait, and some are so narrow that when people are waiting others passing by have to walk very close to the edge. Unlike some stations there is a fair amount of seating in the concourse, and will possibly be more when it is finished.

The logic is that it will improve the experience for passengers as they will be waiting in the modern clean concourses rather than on the narrow, smelly (diesel fumes) platforms. But as other posters have said I wonder how the escalators, lifts etc will cope when trains are announced. Hopefully they'll allow enough time so that it's not a mad scramble, maybe making the first announcement 10-15 minutes before departure.
 

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The logic is that it will improve the experience for passengers as they will be waiting in the modern clean concourses rather than on the narrow, smelly (diesel fumes) platforms. But as other posters have said I wonder how the escalators, lifts etc will cope when trains are announced. Hopefully they'll allow enough time so that it's not a mad scramble, maybe making the first announcement 10-15 minutes before departure.

Indeed. The less it is like Euston the better.
 

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One very big advantage of living on the 'Snow Hill Lines' is that I don't have to linger at this infernal building site any longer than absolutely necessary. Yes, I can appreciate that a larger circulating space above the platforms is a necessary requirement but I feel that it could have been accomplished with a fraction of the time, cost and inconvenience. That stupid curvy reflective cladding being stuck onto the existing structure sums it all up to me: it's all about 'making a statement' these days.
 

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One very big advantage of living on the 'Snow Hill Lines' is that I don't have to linger at this infernal building site any longer than absolutely necessary. Yes, I can appreciate that a larger circulating space above the platforms is a necessary requirement but I feel that it could have been accomplished with a fraction of the time, cost and inconvenience. That stupid curvy reflective cladding being stuck onto the existing structure sums it all up to me: it's all about 'making a statement' these days.

I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with 'making a statement', and I don't think that's a new thing either - some of the grandest railway construction stemmed from that desire - St.Pancras, for example. Seems Network Rail are damned if they do, and damned if they don't - criticised for being uncreative penny pinchers if they build some purely functional box, criticised if they try and be a bit creative!

For a large city station like New Street, trying to create something that is talked about is not just vanity...it's part of the larger regeneration of the city, trying to give locals a sense of pride, and presenting the city as a modern place to be and to do business in. Inevitably the design will not be to everyone's taste, but I can't imagine many people would miss the drab concrete box it replaced either.
 
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