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As for races, I always have a little race with the EC services from Peterborough as far as Helpston. Admittedly you can't always set off at exactly the same time, but provided you start rolling at precisely the same time it can be a close contest. Cl170s have much better initial acceleration but are hampered by the linespeed on the Down Stamford being just 75mph compared to 125mph on the Down Fast. Only 5mph more would tip the contest far more certainly in the favour of the DMUs.

O L Leigh

I was once on an East Coast HST on a Leeds service that was a minute or two late and had a sluggish acceleration for some reason, so the DMU beat us to Helpston. Admittedly the DMU had a head start, but it was only 20 seconds or so.
 
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On the Brighton Main Line a 8 car 377 on the slow can leave a 442 on the Fast Lines for dead Northbound. It must be a real embarrassment to Southern to have to use stock regarded by Stagecoach as life expired on its premier airport service.
 

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On the Brighton Main Line a 8 car 377 on the slow can leave a 442 on the Fast Lines for dead Northbound. It must be a real embarrassment to Southern to have to use stock regarded by Stagecoach as life expired on its premier airport service.

Personally I think the 442's are great but I see your point:D
 

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It's hardly fair to compare traction of the 1960s with that of the 2000s.

To my mind riding a 442 in the motor coach is the only way to experience the sound of the DC motors at main line speeds. Yes I know 455s and 456s have them but they are only on stopper work.
 

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There are a few examples in the Edinburgh area between Edinburgh Waverley and where the lines diverge in the South Gyle area. Examples are at 45 mins past the hour when a fife train leaves at the same time as a Glasgow. I am sure as well the Dundee sometime leave at the same time as the Glasgow's on the hour. This includes a "pit stop" at Haymarket to see which one can pick-up and clear the platform, if that is what you mean.
Correct.

When I've been on the Dundee train, I've enjoyed far too much the anticipation of who would emerge from the Haymarket tunnels first :oops:
 

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The 17:15, 17:45, 18:15 and 18:45 local Turbos from Paddington often run alongside the HSTs leaving at the same time, both restricted to 40(?) until Ladbroke Grove where the speed limit increases. The Turbo will then usually pull ahead until it changes gear (Don't know what it actually does but the engine note changes so it sounds like it!) when the HST will then start to come back and start to pull ahead around Acton Main line. Then the Turbo brakes for Ealing and the race is over.

The Heathrow Connects do the same on the xx:03 (not sure about the xx:33) departures but they can easily outrun an HST, until they reach line speed or brake for Ealing,
 

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Probably belongs in the History & Nostalgia section, but in the early 1960s down expresses from Bristol etc to Exeter would call at Taunton, hauled by a Castle, and a number of these changed enginemen here. Across the platform in the bay would be the Minehead branch train, which followed the same route westward for a couple of miles to Norton Fitzwarren before turning off. If the crew were lucky they had one of the powerful 61xx recently displaced from London by diesels. The timetable had the Minehead leaving several minutes after the express, for although there were four tracks westwards, the branch train needed to go right across the layout at Norton to head north.

However the main train was not infrequently a bit late, the connection was held (younger readers may be puzzled at such a quaint concept), and the platform inspector would be hurrying along any connecting passengers, so both trains were ready to go at the same time. The two locomotives were typically alongside one another. The two crews would be good mates from Taunton shed. Green flags on the platform, an exchange of hand gestures between the crews, a pop each on their whistles, and they were off, the Castle winding its train over the crossover to the Down Main and the 61xx winding in parallel out onto the Down Relief.

Viewed from the old footbridge half a mile to the west it was a spectacle. The Castle, full regulator and reverser in full forward, would have anything up to 12 on, while the Minehead was just a 4-coach pair of old GWR B-sets. The point of honour was for the Minehead to show his tail lamp to the Castle crew, while the latter were out for as much speed as they could before hitting the bottom of Wellington bank. The branch train didn't have long to do it because in less than a mile they would need to shut off for their adverse signals, so here they come, driver's nose up against the spectacle glass concentrating forward, while the fireman is looking back over the cab door on the right to see if they have made it. Up on the footbridge, youthful Taunton is standing on top of the down tracks, the Minehead is first under and enveloped it in steam and smoke, then a couple of seconds later the express did it again on a far greater scale. By the time they pass under Staplegrove Road bridge, to the west, the Minehead, victory in hand, is already shut off. It'll be the main line crew buying the first round in the Station Inn when they get home later tonight.

Wow!
 
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Talking of racing, there are two evening trains that pull into Horley at the same time and then both stop at Gatwick Airport at the same time too! That being the next station. Not sure how often they arrive in unison. It's the 19.18 departures I believe.
 

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Catch the xx:17 Chester from Manchester Piccadilly and get overtaken by the xx:20 Cleethorpes service!
Another one for Man Picc is the xx46 service to Crewe pulling out of P9 just as the xx46 service to Hadfield pulls out of P8, at least 500 yards of neck and neck racing :)
 

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It's hardly fair to compare traction of the 1960s with that of the 2000s.

To my mind riding a 442 in the motor coach is the only way to experience the sound of the DC motors are main lune speeds. Yes I know 455s and 456s have them but they are only on stopper work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWbw3eD4R-0

I remember riding on the pigs years ago before they were axed by SWT. It'll be the end of an era soon for the DC motors in the 455s. Do the 456s use the same motors as the 455s?
 

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I believe they are DC motors but fitted with Thyristor control. The 442s still use the old camshaft control system I believe.

And from your video possible the only traction apart from HSTs where you can stick your head out the window ? :)
 

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You get a good three miles of train vs tram racing between Birmingham Snow Hill and The Hawthorns. There is pretty much a ten minute service in both directions on both lines so it's unusual not to be involved in a 'race' and it's difficult to call a winner most of the time because of the asymmetrical nature of the services. The trams whizz ahead out of stations because they accelerate so quickly but they have to stop more frequently and have a lower top speed (45 mph vs 60 mph on that stretch of line) so the trains can often just power through.
 

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On a Sunday evening, the Salisbury (and beyond) services (which leave at X:15) overtake the Basingstoke/Alton services (leaves at X:07) between Surbiton & Woking only for the 450s to undertake when it slows down for Woking (before saying farewell at Woking as it speeds off towards Basingstoke)
 

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I believe they are DC motors but fitted with Thyristor control. The 442s still use the old camshaft control system I believe.

And from your video possible the only traction apart from HSTs where you can stick your head out the window ? :)

Class 442's have a dual camshaft system. One for Shunt & Series, the other for Parallel & Weak Fielding (2).

Unit takes WF 1 @ ~40-50 mph. WF 2 @ ~70-80, which then gives it quiet nice, smart acceleration upto 100 mph (& beyond if not careful.) Not that SN allows a 442 above 90 anyway.
 

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Another one for Man Picc is the xx46 service to Crewe pulling out of P9 just as the xx46 service to Hadfield pulls out of P8, at least 500 yards of neck and neck racing :)

There are a loads of services at Piccadilly which depart from parallel platform faces, mainly Hadfield's and Stoke's. At the beginning of evening peak you can see a race between a double 142(17:05 Marple off 4) and a XC Voyager(17:05 Cardiff off 5)
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWbw3eD4R-0

I remember riding on the pigs years ago before they were axed by SWT. It'll be the end of an era soon for the DC motors in the 455s. Do the 456s use the same motors as the 455s?

Class 456s use the good old EE-507's, which I believe are still sealed in some areas with leather seals.

Something that baffled Siemens technicians when they got to see them on a 400-series slam door unit, prior to the Desiro fleet introduction. :lol:
 
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