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As many of us are aware, transit publicity standards vary from nation to nation, and even from city to city. Some places which should have high quality information available simply do not, while others surprise in not just the quality, but in the distribution, of maps, timetables, and other brochures. What are some of your best and worst experiences regarding these?

For me, a couple of the best include:
Frankfurt am Main - Even though some German cities are beginning to abandon printed timetables, the vast majority still publish them, particularly in book format. Frankfurt not only publishes its timetables in a comprehensive book totaling roughly 1600 pages, but the book (at least from my experience back in 2019) is easy to come by, being available for purchase at several sales outlets throughout the city. In addition, line-specific timetable brochures are also published for each individual route, and these are distributed very well throughout the city, to the point that the chain hotel I was staying at had ones for at least five different routes in stock.
Washington, DC - As far as distribution goes, Washington, DC probably has the most easily available transit publicity of any major US city. WMATA is quite good at making sure that each metro station has a rack full of timetables for the buses serving that station (WMATA or otherwise - DC has several different suburban bus companies), as well as at least one of the four area transit maps. In addition, in addition to the main sales office at Metro Center (which is centrally located), WMATA partners with other communities in the DC area regarding the operation of enquiry offices, most notably Arlington County in Virginia.

Now, for a couple of the worst:
New York City - While this might be slightly cheating, New York City is horrible at providing information to the public. While the printed subway map is relatively easy to find and chances are that tracking down the borough-specific bus maps at subway stations will yield results, obtaining individual bus timetable leaflets (at least pre-pandemic - rumor on the street is that the MTA got rid of them to save money) required either hopping on and off buses from a specific depot and hoping that they had the route you needed available on board, or going to the MTA's main customer service center tucked away on a side street in Lower Manhattan (which has limited hours and functions primarily as a place to fill out paperwork for reduced-fare benefits) and hoping that they had the route you needed in stock behind the counter (which required waiting on line, sometimes for over an hour - at least from personal experience).
Mississauga, Ontario - The local transit company's website is difficult to navigate, and printed "timetables" (traditionally, Mississauga was one of the few places in North America which eschewed exact timings for Spanish-style "frequency guides") for this suburban city of 800,000 have not existed since 2004, despite most of the bus routes having relatively low frequencies. The only printed information available is a mediocre $2 map available only at the city's main transit center.
 
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Not day to day but I love the "cutesy" way DB portray engineering works with the "Max Maulwurf" mole cartoon character. I thought Network Rail using a seagull in a hi vis for South Coast engineering was amusing but not quite as good.

Edit: he even has a fan website:
 
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I find Max Maulwurf rather silly. The VBB Berlin publishes punkt3 twice a month, a paper magazine, with pages and pages of Baumassnahmen und Fahrplanaenderungen (building works and timetable changes), a good place to brush up on vocab: Schienenersatzverkehr = bus.

Information about transport routes and times in a big city is problematic, even if one knows the language. But some of the information might be unnecessary. 'The S75 departs from Warschauer Strasse one minute earlier than timetabled', for example (it runs every ten minutes).
 

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Not day to day but I love the "cutesy" way DB portray engineering works with the "Max Maulwurf" mole cartoon character. I thought Network Rail using a seagull in a hi vis for South Coast engineering was amusing but not quite as good.

Edit: he even has a fan website:
So that's what they call it "mole-works!"
 

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Information about transport routes and times in a big city is problematic, even if one knows the language.
Especially in big cities abroad that may be a challenge indeed, mostly when one doesn't know where to look for the information.

Although it doesn't help as well that we're spoiled here in The Netherlands: would certainly call it a best experience that we've got countrywide realtime information for truly all public transport. All open data, so you'll need just one app for all public transport info. Maybe too much info even, one can even look up the vehicle number operating a specific service.

A really bad customer experience is our national rail operator NS however, which manages to hide all information that may help the customer as much as possible. They used to have very clear leaflets informing about engineering works, but nowadays the information is completely useless. I annoyed me again today hearing an announcement like "Due to engineering works the timetable of ICE International has been altered, please plan your journey".
And really all announcements, regardless if its an announcement at the station, a information poster or the info at the website: they all give completely no information. For domestic journeys there's the totally non-informative phrase "less trains", which may mean anything between a 8 tph service reduced to 7 tph and complete substitution by buses.

And its not that the information is not available, they're just not publishing it. Via the open data based apps and websites of external parties every tiny detail can be found...
 

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I found that DB weren't very good at real-time info on my last trip to Germany in 2016. During a stop in Hamm to combine units, I had to ask a staff member why we'd stopped for so long...
 

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I’m always impressed about stations in Germany have a comprehensive paper list on display of all the arrivals and departures from a station (white background for arrivals, yellow for departure), with other continental European countries also having this. Some stations also have the diagrams of the train types serving a particular platform, what journeys they will be on and what part of the platform each coach will be. That attention to detail is very impressive, and has given me a lot of confidence in travelling across Germany.
I like how many of the German digital departure screens have the blue background with white text. I find that easier than the dot matrix yellow used on many UK stations (although the departure screens on Thameslink platforms are very impressive - I hope to see more similar screens across the UK).

There are other European countries I’ve been impressed in terms of transport publicity but can’t remember exactly which ones were good!
 

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I found that DB weren't very good at real-time info on my last trip to Germany in 2016. During a stop in Hamm to combine units, I had to ask a staff member why we'd stopped for so long...

Why would that be of interest to an average passenger? As long as the train leaves on-time…
 

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In Toronto (TTC) when buying a $12 day pass ( valid on Tube / Trams / Buses ) was given a very good map of the system.
 

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As far as the USA is concerned, for me the best is LA Metro in Los Angeles with plenty of maps around the city and easy to use smartcard ticketing. The worst experience I had was in Chicago, publicity and signing was very poor and it took me about 15 minutes to find my way to Millennium Station as the signage was practically non-existent.
 
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My pet gripe is more about the way that "competing" transit operators only provide details of their own timetables. Connecting "rival" services are seldom shown. This user unfriendly approach to the customers seems short sighted to me.
I guess the internet is the best tool these days, I do envy those who have a better grasp of all the "apps" than I do!
 

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My pet gripe is more about the way that "competing" transit operators only provide details of their own timetables. Connecting "rival" services are seldom shown. This user unfriendly approach to the customers seems short sighted to me.
I guess the internet is the best tool these days, I do envy those who have a better grasp of all the "apps" than I do!
If they’re part of a larger transport system I tend to agree e.g. if franchised by the government or local authority.

If they are true open access why would they provide details of competing services? It’s a bit like expecting McDonald’s to have Burger King’s price lists on display.
 

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None of these 2, but the most challenging:
The BMTA in Bangkok runs/supervises the around 200 citybusroutes. Every year or 2-3 in the past, info on this was only commercially made available in little booklets for sale at bookshops-for a price (the last one) of about 10 normal bus fares. It never was 100% right and you needed a very good idea of how BKK is divided up in 50 suburbs to understand most of the routing listings. Timetbales were only presented as ´from 4.30 till 22.00´ or so-with opposite ends sometimes being a 2 hr ride apart and no indication of frequency or whatever. Currently the list is on a wiki page.
Now-besides these normal bus lines there are also around 200 ´songhthaew´ lines, most short, which are served by pick-up trucks with seating improvised at the back. However they are licensed and have route nrs. and thoughout the years Ive managed to find them out and list them-only for my own pleasure till now.
All together it made me many quite nice encounters and seeing parts of town noone ever comes to.
About Germany: more and more local Verbünde ara starting also to do away with printed publicity. A small tip if you collect them: often just after a change the old ones are given away for free. I once also found a complete fonebook sized Omnibus Timetable book (bahn/Post-when it was West Germany BRD) the day after the may change in a container. I had to do away with it when I moved home some time ago.
 

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The Ville de Luxembourg (VDL) produce really good publicity - printed as well as online. The travel centre at the Gare Centrale is pretty comprehensive.

This being Luxembourg, of course, the national transport portal Mobiliteit.lu is almost entirely in French, but the timetables you can download are generally in French and German (but not Luxembourgish!). And most bus drivers speak better German than French.

I've been to plenty of Eastern European countries where printed or online timetables simply don't exist. You just wait till one turns up. In Montenegro, when we were staying just outside Kotor (3km away), we just used to queue up if there were people waiting, and randomly paid between €0.50 to €2 for 2 people to go up the road. There WERE timetables (painted on the wall) at the bus station, but these were hopelessly out of date, and rather pleasingly, the minimum service. Probably as many buses again plied their wares along the coast, often Kombi minibuses where fares were negotiable.
 

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As far as the USA is concerned, for me the best is LA Metro in Los Angeles with plenty of maps around the city and easy to use smartcard ticketing. The worst experience I had was in Chicago, publicity and signing was very poor and it took me about 15 minutes to find my way to Millennium Station as the signage was practically non-existent.
LA always did good publicity, for such a car-centric urban area. When I was there in the late 1970s they had about 6 pages at the front of the telephone Yellow Pages, which were in everyone's house or hotel room, showing the network. I regret I used to tear the pages out of the hotel ones and use them to get around.

US bus and train operators never charged for timetables, and visitors to Britain found the UK traditional approach of chargeable train and bus timetable books someiwhat strange.
 

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https://www.stops.lt/vilnius/ is just amazing but not sure if it's official
https://www.sofiatraffic.bg/en/transport/schedules is also very good, unlike the awful laggy website that TfL has turned into

As mentioned by others, printed timetable and related information in the German-speaking countries is very good; on the whole the websites are not so great but you can usually find what you want, the main hindrance being that every transport association has designed its website differently.

I also frequently used https://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/bhftafel.exe/en which has pretty much every transport route programmed in including buses in many European countries.

Not so good about Germany is the information on fares. I wonder how many hours are wasted designing those complex honeycombs and all sorts of random tickets and price levels which can be combined with various add-ons in utterly confusing ways. If you want a simple return trip from your house into town, or from one city to another it's relatively straightforward, but if you are like me and want to cover various routes and tracks, it's quite difficult to know if you've found the best combination. People complain that the GB fares system is complex but Germany beats that many times (although buses are included in Germany while as we know some bus fares in the UK can only be discovered by actually trying to take that bus).


The information about buses in Hong Kong is dismal. There must be some sort of working timetable so they can work out the PVR and driver shifts, but the public only gets the departure time from the first stop. I'm not sure if the drivers just depart at the scheduled time and then don't look at the clock any more as traffic is so unpredictable. About 4 or 5 years ago some buses supposedly began to report their live position but when I used the app it was not reliable.
 

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The information about buses in Hong Kong is dismal. There must be some sort of working timetable so they can work out the PVR and driver shifts, but the public only gets the departure time from the first stop. I'm not sure if the drivers just depart at the scheduled time and then don't look at the clock any more as traffic is so unpredictable. About 4 or 5 years ago some buses supposedly began to report their live position but when I used the app it was not reliable.

The reality in Hong Kong is that the working timetable only specifies the time at the initial stop, with very few routes where the driver is instructed to hold and wait at an intermediate stop. Therefore the driver just departs at the scheduled time and don't look at the clock anymore.

And my worst experience is in Egypt, on the Abu Qir - Alexandria railway line. The station is not lighted at night, the train door never closes, there is no information on the platform and I have to ask people on train what's the correct fare to pay. This line is planned to be modernised into the first metro line of Alexandria with construction starting in 2022.
 

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https://www.stops.lt/vilnius/ is just amazing but not sure if it's official
https://www.sofiatraffic.bg/en/transport/schedules is also very good, unlike the awful laggy website that TfL has turned into

As mentioned by others, printed timetable and related information in the German-speaking countries is very good; on the whole the websites are not so great but you can usually find what you want, the main hindrance being that every transport association has designed its website differently.

I also frequently used https://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/bhftafel.exe/en which has pretty much every transport route programmed in including buses in many European countries.

Not so good about Germany is the information on fares. I wonder how many hours are wasted designing those complex honeycombs and all sorts of random tickets and price levels which can be combined with various add-ons in utterly confusing ways. If you want a simple return trip from your house into town, or from one city to another it's relatively straightforward, but if you are like me and want to cover various routes and tracks, it's quite difficult to know if you've found the best combination. People complain that the GB fares system is complex but Germany beats that many times (although buses are included in Germany while as we know some bus fares in the UK can only be discovered by actually trying to take that bus).


The information about buses in Hong Kong is dismal. There must be some sort of working timetable so they can work out the PVR and driver shifts, but the public only gets the departure time from the first stop. I'm not sure if the drivers just depart at the scheduled time and then don't look at the clock any more as traffic is so unpredictable. About 4 or 5 years ago some buses supposedly began to report their live position but when I used the app it was not reliable.

When in Genoa a few years back, intending to stop off there briefly, I found there were no bus maps available - and given the hilly nature of the place I wasn't into walking everywhere. So I moved on the same day. I wonder how much tourist income they lose by not providing information that a visitor is likely to want? And since bus maps were discontinued in London, I've had friends from abroad visiting for a meeting who in the past would stop to "see the sights" for a day or two - but now they don't.
 

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I found there were no bus maps available
I think something like paper bus maps are slowly disappearing. Here in The Netherlands they exist, but then the challenge is to find an information desk of the operator to get them. Although you'll find them at mayor stops and online.

That a map is available however doesn't mean it's usable. In the Utrecht area for example they hired a designer who transformed the map into something you can't even use to see which bus really gets you near your destination: https://uov-prod.cdn.prismic.io/uov...f3f6fb0e_301+-+WEB+-+Netplan+BRU+-+012021.pdf

(To compare: this is the map of the operator in the remainder of the province, which also shows the network in the area covered by above map: https://www.syntusutrecht.nl/getatt...e_Utrecht_2019_2020_paneel-HR2.pdf?lang=nl-nl )
 

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There is https://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de (looks weird because there is an umlaut in https://www.öpnvkarte.de) which shows the routes and stops of many public transport services all over the world. It has saved my bacon a few times in Germany and Switzerland where the exact position of bus stops was hard to find from posters on the ground

However the UK coverage outside of larger towns seems incomplete and there appears to be a steep learning curve if you want to contribute
 

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There is https://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de (looks weird because there is an umlaut in https://www.öpnvkarte.de) which shows the routes and stops of many public transport services all over the world. It has saved my bacon a few times in Germany and Switzerland where the exact position of bus stops was hard to find from posters on the ground

However the UK coverage outside of larger towns seems incomplete and there appears to be a steep learning curve if you want to contribute
Amazing site thanks for that!
 

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There is https://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de (looks weird because there is an umlaut in https://www.öpnvkarte.de) which shows the routes and stops of many public transport services all over the world. It has saved my bacon a few times in Germany and Switzerland where the exact position of bus stops was hard to find from posters on the ground

However the UK coverage outside of larger towns seems incomplete and there appears to be a steep learning curve if you want to contribute
I'd be carefull with using that website. Looking at my region in The Netherlands it appears to display some kind of mixture of the 2020 and 2021 timetables.
 

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I think something like paper bus maps are slowly disappearing. Here in The Netherlands they exist, but then the challenge is to find an information desk of the operator to get them. Although you'll find them at mayor stops and online.

That a map is available however doesn't mean it's usable. In the Utrecht area for example they hired a designer who transformed the map into something you can't even use to see which bus really gets you near your destination: https://uov-prod.cdn.prismic.io/uov...f3f6fb0e_301+-+WEB+-+Netplan+BRU+-+012021.pdf

(To compare: this is the map of the operator in the remainder of the province, which also shows the network in the area covered by above map: https://www.syntusutrecht.nl/getatt...e_Utrecht_2019_2020_paneel-HR2.pdf?lang=nl-nl )

Yes - the latter looks quite usable!

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There is https://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de (looks weird because there is an umlaut in https://www.öpnvkarte.de) which shows the routes and stops of many public transport services all over the world. It has saved my bacon a few times in Germany and Switzerland where the exact position of bus stops was hard to find from posters on the ground

However the UK coverage outside of larger towns seems incomplete and there appears to be a steep learning curve if you want to contribute

The central London coverage is fairly good, in terms of showing tube stations, listing bus routes along a road, and giving the location of the public cycle hire points and taxi ranks; but there are some inaccuracies, and there's so much info all together (including the geographical run of the underground line routes having such wide lines) that it's hard to see what you're looking for. But nevertheless impressive.
 
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I was in St. Petersburg in 2014 and I tried to get around on the transit system. There are diagrams of the metro system everywhere, but the stations had long Russian names that did not seem to be keyed to anything on the surface. The tram system was vast, but I could not find a map anywhere, and most lines seemed neglected. There were separate operators for the metro, trams, busses, mini-busses and suburban railways, with separate fares for each and I could not find maps or schedules for any of them, much less for connections. Perhaps there was something available in Russian, but the tourist bureau could not find it for me.

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It looks like a labour of love, though the minute you stop updating it, it becomes useless. I remember this being a big issue with xephos.com and the fact the latter chose a subscription model to support it :(
 

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I was in St. Petersburg in 2014 and I tried to get around on the transit system. There are diagrams of the metro system everywhere, but the stations had long Russian names that did not seem to be keyed to anything on the surface. The tram system was vast, but I could not find a map anywhere, and most lines seemed neglected. There were separate operators for the metro, trams, busses, mini-busses and suburban railways, with separate fares for each and I could not find maps or schedules for any of them, much less for connections. Perhaps there was something available in Russian, but the tourist bureau could not find it for me.

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I probably spend more time in St Petersburg than others here. The lack of information is as you describe, the suburban railway lines are particularly poorly described, especially for things like last trains, even the locals can be caught out. At one diverging junction station it was solemnly explained to me that to know the destination you looked at the starting signal to see which way the directional feather was set (which as it was a flying junction it was the opposite to what might be intuitive). Freelance itinerant vendors of soft drink cans, secondhand magazines, even once drawing office instrument sets (I kid you not - and he actually made a sale) work up and down during the journey, prefacing their arrival at each carriage vestibule with an extremely polite and respectful formal Russian announcement to all of what they have.

The Metro does have good London-style maps, nowadays even transliterated in western characters underneath, but you are indeed dependent on knowing where the stations might be in the city. The station names are more dependent on being named after Soviet historic heroes (eg Chkalovskaya, after 1930s aviator Chkalov - every onetime Soviet city metro seems to have one) than anything connected with the locality, though to an extent one pervades the other. Even more challenging, where two Metro lines cross at a single station, each line uses a different name. Believe it or not, some German enthusiast organisations have produced on line maps of all the systems which, particularly for the tram network, are better than anything official.

The minibuses ("Marshrurska", Gaz vehicles, like Ford Transits) are completely free enterprise, but have devastated the official city bus and tram patronage (not the Metro though), being halfway to a taxi, but have an unusual imposed standardisation of the route printed using Microsoft Word on A3 paper sheets displayed in the side windows. Stereotypically driven by immigrants from Tajikistan, in any outer suburban area beyond the city limits you will find them running as well, just as far as the outermost Metro station, where they all gather in disorganised form for the return trip - even the airport is served in this manner. Flat fares are displayed on the poster, different for every route. A surprising point of (typically Russian) honour is payment, you get in the side door, sit down, know the fare is say 40 roubles, hand a 50 rouble note to the passenger sat in front, and see it being solemnly passed forward by the intervening passengers to the driver. A minute or so later, once the driver has stopped where hailed, or been shouted at internally, negotiated the traffic, sworn in Tajik at other drivers, etc, the 10 rouble change makes its way back by the same route. Everyone knows what is going on and who gets what change, and I have never been stiffed in it. No tickets of course. Even if a non-Russian speaker you can readily participate for others behind, in fact are expected to.
 
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Things have obviously improved in the last 20-30 years - at least in terms of information, and the advance of things like Google Translate probably have made it a bit easier still. The same going for online or smartphone ticket purchases.

But way too many people I know who go on holiday won't go anywhere near public transport, as "it's too complicated", and unless you are adventurous or a public transport buff, they are probably right. Quite a few Americans I have met also seem to be in mortal fear of public transportation, believing it to be a nest of thieves and ne'er do wells. Hell, even people visiting London from the sticks think that sometimes. I see the queue at Kings X taxi rank sometimes and shake my head. If people drive at home, then they are less likely to avail themselves of public transport when they get to their destination.
 

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I wanted to try a St. Petersburg suburban train. They have ticket machines, and some even have an "English" button, but when I tried a route, it would say something like "You can't get there from here". I think they are a series of disconnected routes. The only map I saw was a huge wall diagram in the Finland station.

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