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Bendy buses - "Can a simple bus be so hated?"

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From: BBC News

The bendy bus has had a troubled journey but it could soon be the end of the road for it in London. Does the shape of a bus really provoke such strong emotions?

Enemies of the bendy bus have long been seeing red.

And now they can sense that victory is near. Two of the candidates to be Mayor of London have promised to abolish them, which means their death knell may sound in just six weeks.

At a time when people are being encouraged to leave the car at home, a "super bus" carrying nearly twice as many people as a double-decker would seem to be the answer.

But since their introduction in 2001, there have been hundreds of stories questioning their safety to passengers, cyclists and pedestrians.

Headlines like "Bendy buses fail the disabled", "Accidents surge as bendy buses take over", "Bendy bus victim set for £1/2m payout" and "Bendy bus drags man mile to his death" have not inspired confidence.

But dozens of other cities across the UK seem to have accepted them without the same degree of controversy. And Jo Debank of passenger group London Travelwatch says there have been no more complaints about bendy buses than other buses. So what's the truth?

On London's Oxford Street in the evening rush-hour, among the throng of red (buses) and black (taxis), there is only one bendy bus in view, the 73 to Victoria.

But its 19-metre length, with three sets of double doors disgorging dozens of passengers at every bus stop, makes it pretty unmissable. On board, passengers can't really see what the fuss is about.

"I like them," says Sameer Majeed, 46. "It's a very quick bus and so many people can get on and off." Others complimented the sliding doors and the extra space.

But complaints included a lack of staff, not enough seats, the difficulty of standing up especially going round bends, and how their length was a problem when one bus backed on to another at a bus stop.

"They're too long and the drivers don't seem to use the cameras to check that everyone has got on," says Angela Scott, 34. "The other day someone got caught in the doors before they had a chance to get on."

Among 12 passengers in this unscientific survey, there was a 6:3:3 split representing like:dislike:indifferent. Hardly a revolution.

But in the cycling community there is a lot of anxiety about them. Some say the extra length means overtaking them at bus stops can be "terrifying" and there is the ever-present danger that drivers turn left without looking. But a spokesman for the London Cycling Campaign says while bendy buses can be awkward on narrow streets, lorries are a far greater danger.

And Lionel Shapiro, who has 60 years of cycling experience, says there is a lot of mythology about them. They actually "turn beautifully" round corners and sometimes collisions are purely the fault of the cyclist.

Tory mayoral hopeful Boris Johnson believes they cause accidents because they are too wide for London roads and he wants to replace them with an adapted Routemaster, the much-loved open-ended bus phased out - except for two heritage routes - in 2005.

'No U-turn'

His Liberal Democrat counterpart Brian Paddick highlights another problem, fare evasion. He says one in 10 passengers takes advantage of the pre-pay ticketing system and avoids paying. He would replace them with trams. Green candidate Sian Berry was unavailable to comment.

Mayor Ken Livingstone stands by them, saying they're a vital part of the network, taking vast numbers of people from key stations like Victoria and Waterloo. He recently announced he has no plans to extend their use beyond the 12 routes they already serve, but denies this is a U-turn or a change of policy.

"There's a perception that people don't like them but in customer satisfaction surveys people are pleased and say they meet their requirements," says his spokeswoman Victoria Collins, "so it's a perceived image that people don't like them but not reality."

Transport for London says they are only 5% of the fleet but they carry 9% of the passengers - 164 million last year. A spokeswoman said none of the 12 routes is in the top 10 for the most accidents and there have been no deaths due to their design.
And she adds that you are more than five times as likely to have your ticket checked on a bendy bus than any other bus.

Many cities around the world have had bendy buses for years and they have been running in other parts of the UK since 1980, when a ban on them was lifted.

In York they have both "bendys" and an advanced model called FTR (text-shorthand for "future"), which serves one of the fastest-growing routes in the country.

FTRs are styled like trams, with greater low-floor area to improve access and maximise space. Their bright purple exterior raised some eyebrows in the historic city and the unpopular pre-pay system was ditched in favour of conductors.

Some York residents have described them as a blight on the city - over-priced, unsightly and awkward on the narrow streets.

But Councillor Ann Reid who has responsibility for the city's transport policy, says they have been a success, partly because they are so accessible.

"If you have a pushchair or wheelchair, you should expect to get on a bus. When I was younger you had to fold up a pushchair, lug it on and carry it, but now there's quite a lot of open space."

'Menace'

But London has unique demands which bendy buses are not always equipped to meet, says transport expert Christian Wolmar.

"A number of them operate on main roads and do make sense but they don't when they go into town and go round corners and cause real problems and I think that's the issue."

He thinks they can be a menace in the capital's narrow streets, especially with dozens of passengers standing up and hanging off straps, but their problems have been exaggerated.

The fuss is partly due to the fond nostalgia of the Routemasters which they replaced, says government expert Tony Travers of the London School of Economics, and since then it's escalated.

"It's a bit like the First World War, no-one can remember what they're fighting about and it becomes an excuse for an argument.

"The idea that in what is supposed to be the world's leading city, the most visible argument is about a kind of bus is slightly strange."

And ultimately it won't make a difference come the mayoral election in May.

"There are not many votes in arguments about types of buses. It's entertainment, like a Punch and Judy show we can all enjoy from time to time."

But maybe not for much longer.

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BENDY BUS ACCIDENTS
- Lee Beckwith, 21, tried to re-board a bus after leaving his phone behind, but was killed and dragged for a mile in east London
- Three passengers hurt when back of a bus swung on the M77 near Glasgow
- Three teenagers died after collision between car and bus in south-east London
- Blessing Olayiwola, 12, died after being knocked over in south London
- TfL says no deaths have been caused by the design and there are no more accidents involving bendy buses than other buses

BENDY CITIES
- Leeds
- Manchester
- Aberdeen
- York
- Gateshead
- Cardiff
- Bath
- Southampton
- Nottingham
 
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BENDY CITIES
- Leeds
- Manchester
- Aberdeen
- York
- Gateshead
- Cardiff
- Bath
- Southampton
- Nottingham

So I don't travel on a bendy bus to the station most days in Coventry or see Bendy buses in Birmingham.

The capacity of 149 for a bendy bus seems rather high. I was under the impression that a double decker had a higher capacity. I much prefer a Double Decker to a bendy bus.
 

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I think bendy buses work best in cities with wide streets, e.g. Berlin. The use of them in Nottingham is restricted to one route which does not have very narrow roads. London has tried to implement them on routes which have tight turns, hence the problems highlighted in the article.

On a comfort level, I think they are fine, and from a personal security point of view, they are better than double deckers. To prevent ticket abuse, perhaps they should have conductors?
 

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The Scania BendiBuses in Nottingham used on service 4 to Trent Uni are a **** design - if you take a corner too sharply it literally locks the corridor connector and you have to get an engineer to climb under to release it.
Personally I've never had a problem travelling on them. They used to be used on service 48 but were taken off when kids started lobbing bricks at them. They replaced them with Dennis Bonfires :roll:. The rear set of doors has a warning horn that they are closing - so that guy who tried to get back on must have known they were closing.
 

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Personally, I think they work great in London as people can board through any of the three doors. I think a Conductor could be reinstated simply on revenue grounds, though on many routes would have trouble collecting all the fares - retaining off-bus payment would be a good idea. Watching a TV show in London about bendies a good few years ago, it seemed revenue staff hanging around on buses and at stops put off many would-be faredodgers.
 

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I like the way they say they were introduced in 2001. NO! They were introduced in the 1970s! Just LONDON didn't get them until 2001...
 

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Sheffield had them about 80 something didn't they? Don't mind the ftr's in Leeds, they come with a 'customer host' and are cracking on a cold night, lovely and warm.
 

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Nottingham: The Solar Fusions there started off as an experiment on the 58 (City-Arnold-Killisick), and seemed to do ok before being replaced by Omnidekkas. They've then been shunted about, before finally ending up (now that they are about 7 years old), on a lightly used route between the City and Trent University. From what I remember, they have a gate at the back door to prevent boarding that way, and as such have never been used as a "proper" bendy, as seen on the continent etc.

Sheffield pioneered the use of bendy buses, and they worked perfectly well, but weren't replaced after privatisation, instead being sold.

So, London. I think saying that "they don't work" is more the arrogance of the typical Londoner, when they replaced Routemasters with these new fangled artics. Being British, we're very difficult when it comes to change, and for that matter transport...which explains why our system is creaking. Also, in other countries, everyone is fairly honest, buying tickets before boarding, and they know that if caught the penalties are harsh. Here, respect for anything is low, so why should we trust passengers to buy tickets off the bus? I agree however, that doing what they do on Tramlink to a bendy once in a while is probably a good plan...doesn't half scare people when a stop full of BTP and Ticket Inspectors arrives outside the window...and they don't let the tram go until every ticket has been checked: no ticket, and you're off the tram with a penalty notice.

Perhaps I live in a world where some people (namely candidates for mayor of London) need to wake up to the real world. Thankfully, I live in the East Midlands, so don't have to put up with those sensibilities!

Cheers

Dave
 

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I think in some cases London has used them on inappropriate routes - but still I think they are closed minded.

Sheffield used them during the 80s, with no problems. They were withdrawn in 2000, under First.
 

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Nottingham: The Solar Fusions there started off as an experiment on the 58 (City-Arnold-Killisick), and seemed to do ok before being replaced by Omnidekkas. They've then been shunted about, before finally ending up (now that they are about 7 years old), on a lightly used route between the City and Trent University. From what I remember, they have a gate at the back door to prevent boarding that way, and as such have never been used as a "proper" bendy, as seen on the continent etc.

Sheffield pioneered the use of bendy buses, and they worked perfectly well, but weren't replaced after privatisation, instead being sold.

So, London. I think saying that "they don't work" is more the arrogance of the typical Londoner, when they replaced Routemasters with these new fangled artics. Being British, we're very difficult when it comes to change, and for that matter transport...which explains why our system is creaking. Also, in other countries, everyone is fairly honest, buying tickets before boarding, and they know that if caught the penalties are harsh. Here, respect for anything is low, so why should we trust passengers to buy tickets off the bus? I agree however, that doing what they do on Tramlink to a bendy once in a while is probably a good plan...doesn't half scare people when a stop full of BTP and Ticket Inspectors arrives outside the window...and they don't let the tram go until every ticket has been checked: no ticket, and you're off the tram with a penalty notice.

Perhaps I live in a world where some people (namely candidates for mayor of London) need to wake up to the real world. Thankfully, I live in the East Midlands, so don't have to put up with those sensibilities!

Cheers

Dave

they were also first used on the 48 to Clifton via Trent Bridge. The ones I went on in Holland are interesting, they have ticket booths at the back doors. They use the sme stops as the trams too. That's what I like - INTEGRATED and nationalised transport!
 

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As a Londoner who travels the world, I really don't understand what the fuss is meant to be about. I use them when I travel in central London, especially on route 73. They're a damn sight more user - friendly than the old Routemasters ever were.

Why is it Londoners can't cope with a style of bus used all over the world since (IIRC) the 1970s?

As for this fare-dodging excuse - people seem to forget that other forms of transport have multi-doors not guarded by the driver: They're called trams....

It's Boris Johnson (and a few other Tories) playing the worst kind of political opportunism
 

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As a Londoner who travels the world, I really don't understand what the fuss is meant to be about. I use them when I travel in central London, especially on route 73. They're a damn sight more user - friendly than the old Routemasters ever were.

Why is it Londoners can't cope with a style of bus used all over the world since (IIRC) the 1970s?

As for this fare-dodging excuse - people seem to forget that other forms of transport have multi-doors not guarded by the driver: They're called trams....

It's Boris Johnson (and a few other Tories) playing the worst kind of political opportunism

don't even get me started on politics - especially Borris Johnson!!!
 
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