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Belfast Town Hall...and its flag

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citybus

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While it's true that the nationalist electorate didn't ask their politicians to review flags policy, it is understandable that the SDLP and Alliance party want to create a more neutral council environment. Sinn Fein's motives were possibly more of the coat trailing variety, though in the face of dissident republicanism you can surmise that they have to keep their more disillusioned supporters on board with the odd 'smash the brits' success story.

Many have raised the "if Belfast is part of the UK then why shouldn't it fly the union jack" question? Recent polls have shown that most Catholics wish NI to remain within the UK. However, while the Union Jack is generally uncontroversial in mainland Britain it is toxic to Catholics here. Unionism as an ideology needn't be sectarian, but the two unionist parties have been sectarian since inception. The same goes for nationalist politics too, and why virtually no Protestants vote for them. Face facts, the intention behind flying flags in public is completely irrelevant, they usually result in offence being taken as they are clearly territorial ****ing exercises. For the flags protesters to then drape themselves in union jacks only reinforces the view among nationalists that as a symbol it is totally beyond redemption.

One thing that I find amusing about the whole situation is that the ones bearing the brunt of this violence is the Alliance party, the only 'unionist' party that Catholics can vote with a clear conscience. Unionist but without any trappings of sectarianism or right wing nationalism. And before anyone thinks I'm judging unionism too harshly, remember I equally criticised nationalist parties- which of course have a 100% Catholic membership and feature the equally offensive tricolour all over their election leaflets.

Another point I find interesting is that every single commentator is telling us how 'everyone knew this was going to happen, why didn't they wait till after christmas'. Well maybe I'm the only one, but I certainly didn't think this would happen. The City Hall is after all in the city centre, where it's not easy to claim the place for one community or the other. It is a neutral space, and one that most citizens haven't been inside. I could understand the fuss if they were removing flags from a Loyalist housing estate, but not here. After all the Stormont parliament only flies the union jack several days a year and has done so for a decade.
 
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Why not give the Dutch Royal Family another go. I am sure that the current Queen Elizabeth II will be pleased to give up after a good innings in charge and to spend all her spare time with Prince Philip and a telephone call to HRH Prince Willem-Alexander Claus George Ferdinand, Prince of the Netherlands, to take over from her, which will have the added benefit of preventing the tree-talking Prince Charles (and Audrey from Coronation Street) from having a say in the matter.

Just goes to show that the Dutch royal family reads RailUK forums on a regular basis. No sooner than I posted this suggestion than the wheels of monarchic succession began to turn in the Netherlands and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands announced her decision to abdicate (as did her mother 30 years ago) and enable the Prince to take over as King of the Netherlands....:D:D

Another chance missed...:roll:
 

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I think I've read somewhere that it isn't as easy for our monarchy to do the same, I believe they are free to do it as and when in the Netherlands but there are some restrictions on such over here, but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Another chance missed...:roll:

Mind me asking what exactly that means? A chance for what? A republic?
 

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Mind me asking what exactly that means? A chance for what? A republic?

Most certainly I will accede to your request, but I am very surprised with your deep knowledge of the heritage of that area to have to make this clarification. The chance that I had referred to is based on the fact that there is already a precedent for a monarch from the Netherlands taking over from the existing ruling monarch on the British throne, by invitation. I am sure that the populace of a certain region with a deep love of all things "orange" would seem to have welcomed the chance for a dream come true and that there would have been no shortage of those who would have extended another invitation to once again being ruled over by another monarch from the Netherlands once again, instead of the Germanic House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha who cloaked their real name under a "pretend" name when it suited them.

However, the recent event in the Netherlands has now been "the lost chance" to which I alluded in my earlier posting, as he will now become King of the Netherlands instead.
 
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An important but little known fact of the Glorious Revolution was that although King James would have been a tyrant to his Protestant subjects (had he won that is), Catholics and (shock horror) Non Conformist suffered atrocious treatment under King Billy's watch. It's one of the great ironies of Irish history that the largely Presbyterian Orange Order admire a man who detested them and treated them like 2nd class citizens. But then as far as I know after taking the English throne he spent most of his subsequent life back in Holland. Looked smart on a horse though

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.... But then as far as I know after taking the English throne he spent most of his subsequent life back in Holland. Looked smart on a horse though...
Much of his time was actually spent campaigning against the French, which would have been slightly difficult if he stayed in England. During Mary's life he tended to spend about half the year away at the wars, while she reigned at home - when he returned he took up the reins again. Once the wars with the French had "ended", he spent most of his time in England.
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... Non Conformist suffered atrocious treatment under King Billy's watch....
Isn't that because they also refused to acknowledge him as the King, claiming that the Divine right came direct from God and could not be put aside by Parliament.
 
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