I assume your Granada reference is to University Challenge- a show that is produced by Granada Television on behalf of the BBC. In a previous life it was an ITV show, the BBC revived it in 1994 with it still being produced by Granada- who are a production company as well as a regional ITV franchise. The current episodes have never been shown on any service other than the BBC.
Thanks, yes I am aware that the current University Challenge has always been on BBC, the point I was making was that the quiz programme could be moved to another channel, then BBC TWO might as well close down, with Newsnight transferred to the BBC NEWS 24 channel.
Could you offer an evidenced example?
Again, could you offer an evidenced example? In particular I am interesting in the "un-important" aspect of this. Could you, when offering the example, explain how you have decided it is an unimportant role?
You best not watch the BBC news channel. That hardly ever shows cop shows.
Canal boat diaries and Fred Dibnah's buildings of Britain sound very snobby. There are on tonight followed by snobby art programmes ( others may think educational and enlightening).
Perhaps you could set out what you would like to see more of.
I do actually: A thoroughly professional programme covering, in detail, all of the premier league games that day. It has improved vastly since they went to full coverage of every game.
What should football pundits do instead then? Perhaps you could explain. I think that the best ones are some of the women they have on as they seem much more articulate than some of the male experts.
I don't really understand what this means. Could you explain/clarify?
I think that is indicative of a coarsening of society generally, the need for the BBC to be seen to focus on things that "sell" and a popular thanks to governmental direction setting and a reduction in funding meaning risk taking in programming is less acceptable.
You wanted examples of weird shows, their schedule includes Eating with my Ex, Stacey Dooley Stalkers, Zen Motoring, Glow Up Make Up Stars, Gypsy Queen and Proud, Drag Race versus the World, Famalam, Kurupting the Industry, etc etc. If those aren't weird shows in your opinion, could you offer an example of what is?
Okay, Gary Lineker is an evidenced example, salary from the BBC of £1.4 million, his role is clearly replaceable as others take his place on some match days, and of course there are usually two co-presenters beside him, clearly a role which is not essential for a programme to function. Link from your beloved BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57722068
I was saying BBC3 had little entertainment value, you know full well I wasn't asking for cop shows on news channels, you are just wasting my time by moaning about everything, some of us have work and little free time you know.
I love Fred Dinah and all his shows, but those shows are very old repeats, and they are repeated again soon after, it is not a channel adding any new substance any more, therego not worth extra funding from license fee payers, very few people watch the channel.
Care to give an example of why it's value for money or vastly improved?
Those women get paid less than the men for the same job by the BBC and get given less important roles.
The BBC design their schedule to cause conflicts with ITV, it's been the case since ITV did the News at Ten, The BBC often copy schedules that ITV pioneers and the opposite happens as well to the detriment of the viewers.
Not sure there should be government direction in an organisation pretending to be neutral.
If you read what you quoted from me, you would see I said "the opposite happens as well".
What the hell is your problem with completely attacking everything we say just because you hate the BBC?
They're not, as it happens. "Canal Boat Diaries" (a trip along the Trent and Mersey canal tonight) is currently airing on BBC4, and the presenter (Robbie Cumming) is about as unpretentious and down to earth as you can get.
I didn't ask for examples of "weird shows". I asked for examples of programmes which trying to push abnormal views. Which of these programmes are trying to push "abnormal" views views? Is it the drag race?
I asked you to back up your assertions. You haven't, really, done that then got annoyed when challenged to do so.
I knew it would be Gary Lineker. I wonder if the issue is not so much his salary and more that he says things on twitter you don't like/your favoured media commentators tell you not to like.
There is a book recently published by the former editor of MOTD. That will answer your question in detail although it is really about the number of cameras at each game ( I think 13 at least now), the time given to each game, the quality of the recording facilities, the live commentary at each ground, the analysis of each game etc etc. All done in one 90 minute live show every week.
They seem to be used fairly evenly on radio 5. I would like to see them more on TV. I cant comment on how much they get paid as pundits. I suspect Gaby Logan is paid less than Gary Lineker and she shouldn't be really.
Now your argument has changed from it being all snobby snobby to it is all repeats. Which is it?
no, that is exactly what you are asking for. You want this channel "cancelled" because you don't like it. The channel isn't designed to deliver the "basics" as you see them as they are covered elsewhere on the BBC but to appeal to a particular demographic who the BBC feel are under represented elsewhere.
Not sure I understand this point. It seems to be that the BBC shouldn't complete. You complain they spend money then complain they try to earn money/viewers! It cant be both.
I know. I found them very calming at a time when I needed some calm.
I think radio should be looked at before television. There are 4 (FOUR) Radio 1 stations you can listen to.
The closing of bbc three was a stupid decision from day 1.
The problem there is that I am not allowed to watch any live TV without funding it, it's not an issue of simply don't like don't watch. Imagine if there was an Internet licence that sent all the funds to Wikipedia even though you may not like it.
It was all the ones I listed. I don't know about you, but I consider a show about getting to know stalkers and their side of the story is abnormal.
If nothing I have said means anything at all, please just tell me what evidence would be acceptable that BBC3 and the other BBCs are not superb in every single way?
The salaries of most programmes are over-inflated, the newscasters like the royal correspondent for example, who does less than an hour's worth of TV time a week for decades on so called news stories such as "the palace has released a new picture". I don't use Twitter or follow any media commentators in any way.
Looking through the schedule again, BBC4 is mostly repeats everyday, but they did have a lot of shows about classical music when I had live TV a couple of years back.
I want ideally, people to be able to watch TV freely. As that is not the case, the compromise is that people should only have to pay for TV channels that they actually use. BBC3 is funded by every TV licence holder and very few will ever watch it.
You are right there, it can't be both, however the BBC is trying to be both a public service broadcaster, one which is funded by the public for various reasons, while also trying to be a commercial network earning vast sums by selling products back to their other UKTV channels with adverts, charging for former Iplayer shows on Britbox, etc, which is damaging to the rest of the domestic TV sector while they are guaranteed funding anyway.
BBC1 does have a rather calm edge to it, until Eastenders time I guess.
I'll go one further. Please detail the exact views that you consider to be "abnormal".
I don't think platforming stalkers is normal, nor shows encouraging the use of heavy make up when so many have anxiety over their looks, if you disagree then I assume that means I am wrong on all counts and BBC3 only puts on normal TV shows you could find on any other channel every day.
Could you at least have the decency to name the programmes that you find so objectionable?
I listed the shows already (post 34, virtually everything they show except that I missed out Gavin and Stacey repeats, all of which are also not quality and not worth paying out for), I've said the point of what I'm trying to say already (end of post 42, that the BBC should be reduced to the basics for cost and schedule reasons), the reason why I know about what it's broadcasting, is because in this country it is considered heresy to not like BBC without providing a full report with evidence and pictures to prove it, or at least that how it feels, so I had to look it up online, and that still wasn't good enough. Everyone posted their view, I posted mine as everyone else, and I only replied to those quoting me with questions about my post, I never quoted someone else's post that didn't quote me on this thread saying their view was wrong, apparently my view is the only angle not allowed. One reply even tried to imply I must be a racist bigot because of not liking BBC3 for some reason, and now you are saying I must like the BBC. You are all just trying to bully anyone who doesn't share your own view with nasty personal remarks.Could you at least have the decency to name the programmes that you find so objectionable?
So far it has all been vague waffle, and if you'd actually get to the point of what you're trying to say we could avoid this pointless going round in circles!
For someone who complains so much about BBC 3, you seem to have a fairly in-depth knowledge about what it's broadcasting.
Oh please - spare us the persecution complex
and have just now referred to the BBC as
but you refuse to elaborate on what you consider to be "abnormal" beyond vague references to 1) a program about stalkers and 2) the wearing of make-up.
I would've done, but I have only recently got a brand new computer. The old one was so slow and couldn't handle streaming anything.
Give it time! Won't be too long before it's back on again!
That’s was a bad time for you there wasn’t it boy..?
In what way is Drag Race a weird show?
