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A BBC film has appeared on their YouTube channel about the closure of railway lines in Northern Ireland. Made in the 1950s it is very reminiscent of what happened a few years later in Britain with the Beeching/Marples carve up. It basically says replace the branch lines with buses and invest in the mainlines. In my opinion it is very biased featuring more of the road lobby than pro-rail supporters. It’s an interesting film nonetheless.
 
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Thank you for making this film available -- plenty of fascination therein. Unlike yourself, it would seem: I feel that a pretty fair balance is struck, between airing of anti-, and pro-rail views. To be realistic -- much though it grieves the more sentimental, dare I say, among people like us: the way of things told of in this film, is how these matters have gone in nearly all "First World" countries; only it took place in Northern Ireland earlier than in most, and more sweepingly than in a good many. Like it or not -- to a large extent, in many situations and circumstances road motor transport is more convenient and user-friendly than the rail alternative.

Confession: the more frivolous side of me is inclined to wish that this offering contained less of "talking heads", and more sequences of rail action -- although, "as is", there is a fair plenty of the latter. The commentary tends not to identify the shown locations-with-action -- and that is totally fair enough: the film being aimed at acquainting with the situation, viewers who would be "normal people", very many of them outside of Ireland -- who would have no wish to be informed; and would indeed likely be confused and bewildered by such info; as to whether the sequence was at "Ballyflump, or Kinnypottle", or on the metals of what formerly independent company's system ! Part of the entertainment for me -- and reckonably for any enthusiast with a love of "Ireland way back when" -- was identifying as far as possible, the locales shown. An exception, is the film's section dealing with the Sligo, Leitrim and Northern Counties Railway, then in its penultimate year of life -- in which it is emphasised that that line (identified as such) was still playing a valued role with its thriving cattle traffic: this a rather special case, with the route's having one end in the Republic and the other in N.I., playing a part here. Featured, is a quite mouth-watering sequence of one of this line's characteristic 0-6-4Ts working a cattle train. Overall, for any lover of the bygone Irish rail scene: a fascinating offering; and one with both delightful, and depressing, aspects.
 

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And we're still living here with the effects that these closures created.

To give just one example, there was a line between Newcastle and Belfast, with the town of Ballynahinch on its own branch. The whole line was closed in 1950, so all traffic was put onto the road, Ballynahinch was on that route. It soon became a bottleneck, so eventually a by pass was decided in 2002. It's now 2025 and nothing has been started.

My own home town had a by pass that only by passed half of the town. It was built on the railway line so that the railway could never come back.

There's plenty more examples like that.
 

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And we're still living here with the effects that these closures created.

To give just one example, there was a line between Newcastle and Belfast, with the town of Ballynahinch on its own branch. The whole line was closed in 1950, so all traffic was put onto the road, Ballynahinch was on that route. It soon became a bottleneck, so eventually a by pass was decided in 2002. It's now 2025 and nothing has been started.

My own home town had a by pass that only by passed half of the town. It was built on the railway line so that the railway could never come back.

There's plenty more examples like that.
Yes, the BCDR system served what is now prime commuter territory for Belfast (although to be fair the line to Donaghadee was a bit indirect). Even in 1963, the Benson Report (the NI equivalent of Beeching) recommended the retention of the Bangor line because traffic congestion was becoming a problem in Belfast. As you say, any potential schemes to reopen lines in NI are badly compromised by past road schemes - the 'Derry Road' ( Portadown - Derry / Londonderry track bed has been taken over by the A5 in quite a few places now. Even the relatively simple Armagh scheme faces the difficulty of getting out of Portadown.
Thank you for making this film available -- plenty of fascination therein. Unlike yourself, it would seem: I feel that a pretty fair balance is struck, between airing of anti-, and pro-rail views. To be realistic -- much though it grieves the more sentimental, dare I say, among people like us: the way of things told of in this film, is how these matters have gone in nearly all "First World" countries; only it took place in Northern Ireland earlier than in most, and more sweepingly than in a good many. Like it or not -- to a large extent, in many situations and circumstances road motor transport is more convenient and user-friendly than the rail alternative.

Confession: the more frivolous side of me is inclined to wish that this offering contained less of "talking heads", and more sequences of rail action -- although, "as is", there is a fair plenty of the latter. The commentary tends not to identify the shown locations-with-action -- and that is totally fair enough: the film being aimed at acquainting with the situation, viewers who would be "normal people", very many of them outside of Ireland -- who would have no wish to be informed; and would indeed likely be confused and bewildered by such info; as to whether the sequence was at "Ballyflump, or Kinnypottle", or on the metals of what formerly independent company's system ! Part of the entertainment for me -- and reckonably for any enthusiast with a love of "Ireland way back when" -- was identifying as far as possible, the locales shown. An exception, is the film's section dealing with the Sligo, Leitrim and Northern Counties Railway, then in its penultimate year of life -- in which it is emphasised that that line (identified as such) was still playing a valued role with its thriving cattle traffic: this a rather special case, with the route's having one end in the Republic and the other in N.I., playing a part here. Featured, is a quite mouth-watering sequence of one of this line's characteristic 0-6-4Ts working a cattle train. Overall, for any lover of the bygone Irish rail scene: a fascinating offering; and one with both delightful, and depressing, aspects.

Yes it is a fair balance - it could have featured some of the virulent anti-rail Stormont ministers such as Daniel Dixon (who authorised the 1957 massacre) who claimed that railways were 'dead as the stagecoach'. I enjoyed seeing the separate drinks cabinets on the 'Enterprise' because of the different excise rates in the Republic and the North - I remember dear old C.J. Allen raging (as he did) about some fiddle that was going on when he travelled on the service.
 

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I enjoyed seeing the separate drinks cabinets on the 'Enterprise' because of the different excise rates in the Republic and the North - I remember dear old C.J. Allen raging (as he did) about some fiddle that was going on when he travelled on the service.
I confess to not being a fan of old Cecil -- learned railway-authority though he was. He strikes me as -- although an attentive Christian -- somewhat oblivious to Matthew 7, 1-3.
You'll enjoy this then. "Farewell to the Derry Road".
Many thanks -- found it at once delightful, and heartrending. Interesting content, about the general "gauges / border, mess" around Strabane -- "if things had worked out differently" -- or if it had come about that when the GNR line was inaugurated, it had been routed via Donemana -- avoiding the future Border...
 

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That old BBC piece really shows how quickly policy swung toward roads, almost like someone flicked a switch. I watched it after doing some short film exercises at www.praguefilminstitute.cz, and it made me notice how the framing and narration quietly push the viewer to accept the shift as progress. If you rewatch it with that in mind, the tone feels a lot more deliberate than it first seems.
 
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