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BBC: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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Channel 5 is owned by Viacom/Discovery. ITV has been fighting off takeover attempts by the big American media conglomerates for decades. There's more chance of a Channel 4 sale ending up in the hands of Disney / Viacom / Netflix / Amazon than there is of it competing against them all. I've not heard many voices calling for more American influence on our media in the UK!

Okay, but what demonstrable difference is there in the content? Surely, we can compare Channel 4 with ITV (independent) and Channel 5 (American owned).

Interestingly, part of Channel 5's justification for ditching Neighbours was that it wanted to invest in British content. And part of the argument for allowing the consolidation of ITV was that it would make it ripe for a foreign takeover, which is still to happen 19 years in.
 
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We already own all of it. She's giving the chance for the mates of the Tory party to sit and collect more public funds. Note that not even the broadcast industry want the channel selling off - literally the only support for the idea comes from Government itself.
So nobody will bid and it'll remain as a public corporation.
 

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Okay, but what demonstrable difference is there in the content? Surely we can compare Channel 4 with ITV (independent) and Channel 5 (American owned).
I must admit that I don't watch much live TV these days but when I was a regular TV watcher there was very, very little on Channel 5 that was worth watching. Channel 4, E4 (except Hollyoaks) and Film 4 had much better content.
So nobody will bid and it'll remain as a public corporation.
You must be kidding. The queue will be out the door - it's not often that a broadcaster the size of Channel 4 comes up for sale.
 

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If nobody bids the government will be overjoyed, as they will then be able to flog it off to someone for a pittance. The new owner will then sell it on for a quick profit and all those awkward rules about independence, providing a balanced content, etc. will be ‘regretfully’ abandoned ‘to ensure the future of the station’. Or they will just dump them in the first place to make the initially unsuccessful sale go through.
 

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And part of the argument for allowing the consolidation of ITV was that it would make it ripe for a foreign takeover, which is still to happen 19 years in.

Actually, the opposite - they were allowed to consolidate to protect them from foreign takeovers. The main reason they are still independent is because they are big enough to protect themselves, but with the US market going through another round of consolidation themselves, they're now back on the list of broadcasters who could be snapped up.


If anyone wants a good, real world, example of how badly the Government can mess up broadcasting, just look towards your local Local TV station.
 

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Competing against Netflix and Amazon (and several others) - for that they will need lots of money and will produce 'safe' programmes, programmes that will pull in a big audience.

I think they already do a fairly good job at competing with Netflix and Amazon. Their online offering is as good as any of the subscription platforms. The only thing that may put people off is the fact that it's supported by adverts, but that can be sorted by subscribing to All4+ at a fairly reasonable £3.99 per month - much cheaper than the other platforms too.


I know that we can all be resistant to change but even then the saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” does seem particularly relevant here. Channel 4 and All4 is where most of the programmes that I watch come from and change to the current structure seems unnecessary.

I agree, it ain't broke (although apparently it's too woke!) I watch a lot of Channel 4 content and C4 news is my main evening news programme; I'd hate for it to fall into the wrong hands for that reason alone.
 

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And once again we see the Tories try to attack an organisation that has been critical of the government and ministers in an attempt to avoid any kind of accountability. What a shock. And no doubt they already have a shortlist of their friends who will be invited to bid for it.
 

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What exactly is the vital public service that Channel 4 is supposed to provide? Just looking through today's schedule, apart from the main Channel 4 News, there is nothing that couldn't be found on any commercial channel.
 

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What exactly is the vital public service that Channel 4 is supposed to provide? Just looking through today's schedule, apart from the main Channel 4 News, there is nothing that couldn't be found on any commercial channel.

Everything that Channel 4 does is governed by our public service remit, which is agreed by Parliament and enshrined in legislation. It is the template that gives us our unique and important role in British life. Our remit makes up a core part of Channel 4’s DNA.
It applies across all genres and services, Channel 4, E4, More4, Film4, 4Seven, All 4 and digital projects. Channel 4 must also meet a set of specific quantitative licence obligations, set and monitored by Ofcom, for News and Current Affairs, original production, regional production, subtitling and audio-description services and much else besides.

To champion unheard voices​

Our programmes shine a light on stories untold elsewhere.
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To innovate and take bold creative risks​

We drive innovation, taking more risks than other channels.
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To inspire change in the way we lead our lives​

We inspire citizenship and stimulate debate among viewers.
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To stand up for diversity across the UK​

Diversity is the lifeblood of Channel 4, and we are committed to celebrating Great Britain in all of its diversity through our programmes.
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Well, it looks like it's an unpopular decision, even among the tory ranks


Boris Johnson will struggle to get his plans to privatise Channel 4 through parliament after a backlash from within his party, senior Conservatives believe.

The plans to raise £1bn-plus by selling off the state-owned channel sparked furious opposition from people such as Ruth Davidson, the former Scottish Tory leader, and former cabinet ministers Damian Green and Jeremy Hunt.


Senior Tories told the Guardian that Johnson would probably struggle to get his plans through the House of Lords, and could face a revolt in the Commons as well.

The proposal was not in the Conservative party manifesto, making it easier for peers to challenge the legislation necessary to make the sale.

The backlash came after an internal Channel 4 email revealed that the culture secretary, Nadine Dorries, was pushing ahead with plans to privatise the channel after 40 years in public ownership.

Davidson led calls for the government to reconsider, saying: “Channel 4 is publicly owned, not publicly funded. It doesn’t cost the taxpayer a penny. It also, by charter, commissions content but doesn’t make/own its own. It’s one of the reasons we have such a thriving [independent] sector in places like Glasgow. This is the opposite of levelling up.”

Green pointed out the channel was founded by a Conservative government, with part of its remit being to boost Britain’s private sector television sector: “The sale of Channel 4 is politicians and civil servants thinking they know more about how to run a business than the people who run it. Very unconservative. Mrs Thatcher, who created it, never made that mistake.”

Julian Knight, the Conservative chair of the culture select committee, said he had concerns privatisation was “being done for revenge” after Channel 4’s critical coverage of Brexit and Johnson. He also said the potential sale proceeds were “irrelevant” in the scale of the national debt but that he would back a sale if it was part of an overhaul of all public service broadcasting.

Jeremy Hunt, a former culture secretary, told Sky News: “I’m not in favour of it because as it stands Channel 4 provides competition to the BBC on what’s called public service broadcasting – the kinds of programmes that are not commercially viable – and I think it would be a shame to lose that.”

He said he had never considered privatising it when he was culture secretary.

Another Tory who criticised the proposed sale was the father of the house, Peter Bottomley, who said it was “bad for the diversity of television, bad for viewers and bad for independent producers”, adding: “It was considered in the mid-1990s and turned down. It should be rejected now.”

Ruth Davidson was interviewed on the Radio Scotland lunchtime news programme and she was quite vocal in her opposition to the proposal. I don't agree with her on many things, but this is one thing I believe she's got right.

They also replayed that priceless moment when Dorries was informed that Channel 4 wasn't taxpayer funded after all. (Youtube clip below for those who haven't seen/heard it)

 

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They also replayed that priceless moment when Dorries was informed that Channel 4 wasn't taxpayer funded after all. (Youtube clip below for those who haven't seen/heard it)
And yet, as always, the facts simply don't matter. I made the schoolboy error of looking at the Daily Mail comments yesterday, and they were pretty much in raptures at the prospect of privatisation.

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(Remind me never to venture there again.)
 

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It will be a very difficult sell for the government as Channel 4 isn't worth that much. It has no programme library/archive (all it's programmes are bought in from indies), it's not very well known outside of the United Kingdom, it makes some money but not a lot and finally the public service remit would be a difficult sell. My guess it that it won't be sold but we will see.

Channel 4 though as a whole has lost it's purpose, 10/20 years ago it showed a lot of controversial and disruptive programming which other broadcasters didn't show. Now though it just seems like any other broadcaster with little edgy/controversial content.
 

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Perhaps we will end up with a Channel 4 that is more balanced, I want entertainment and information that is balanced, however, at the moment, it is so far to the woke left it is in danger of falling off the edge.
It's not the national broadcaster like the BBC. Don't watch it if it isn't your cup of tea.
 

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Perhaps we will end up with a Channel 4 that is more balanced, I want entertainment and information that is balanced, however, at the moment, it is so far to the woke left it is in danger of falling off the edge.

Depends who buys it, Murdoch may be interested as he has less control of UK broadcast media now that Sky has been bought by Comcast. It will also depends on how the preferred bidder is chosen if it's a case of whoever offers the most or whoever provides the best business and creative plan for Channel 4.
 

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It will be a very difficult sell for the government as Channel 4 isn't worth that much. It has no programme library/archive (all it's programmes are bought in from indies), it's not very well known outside of the United Kingdom, it makes some money but not a lot and finally the public service remit would be a difficult sell. My guess it that it won't be sold but we will see.
They don't produce the content in-house but the majority are programmes they commission, they hold the rights for a (often long) period, how else do you think they can run the All4 service.
 

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They don't produce the content in-house but the majority are programmes they commission, they hold the rights for a (often long) period, how else do you think they can run the All4 service.
So what's really for sale is a back catalogue with a public service broadcast obligation attached? Possibly the bulk of the value is in the former
 

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They don't produce the content in-house but the majority are programmes they commission, they hold the rights for a (often long) period, how else do you think they can run the All4 service.

Depends on the contract, from what I understand very few things Channel 4 has full exclusive rights to but instead they have the rights to broadcast and make available for catch up.

So what's really for sale is a back catalogue with a public service broadcast obligation attached? Possibly the bulk of the value is in the former

Difficult to say, the main benefit will be the channel slot on broadcast platforms as having such a low number (4 on Freeview and 104 on the rest) means you get a lot of viewers. Also the name Channel 4 is well known in the United Kingdom although not so much worldwide.

Having the UK rights to The Simpsons is quite useful as it can be repeated ad nauseam. A lot of the other most-watched things like Googlebox are not worth that much in an archive as they are only relevant for a short time after they are broadcast.
 

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A lot of the other most-watched things like Googlebox are not worth that much in an archive as they are only relevant for a short time after they are broadcast.
Who owns the international rights to Great British Bake-Off (and it's various spin-offs)?
 

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Who owns the international rights to Great British Bake-Off (and it's various spin-offs)?
Sky own Love Productions who make GBBO. Love started out as an indy then Sky bought 70% in 2014. They bought the rest in 2020.
 

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Sky own Love Productions who make GBBO. Love started out as an indy then Sky bought 70% in 2014. They bought the rest in 2020.

I know that Love is the production company, but do they actually own the broadcast rights?
 

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I must say I’m bewildered by the outpouring on social media over this. How many people actually watch C4?! Everybody seems convinced privatisation will ruin it, but I’ve yet to see compelling evidence as to why that should be the case. Is it just an automatic assumption that Murdoch is going to buy it or something?!
 

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Everybody seems convinced privatisation will ruin it, but I’ve yet to see compelling evidence as to why that should be the case.
"Those who fail to learn the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them."

There aren't many examples of privatisations of UK state enterprises which have gone well. Maybe the quality will stay the same, maybe it will improve. The problem is that there's no way to know either way so, as posted earlier: if it isn't broken, why attempt to fix it?
 

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I know that Love is the production company, but do they actually own the broadcast rights?
Yes Sky Studios (Love) own the show. The broadcast rights are of course let to whomever is currently broadcasting it CH4 in the UK
 

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I must say I’m bewildered by the outpouring on social media over this. How many people actually watch C4?! Everybody seems convinced privatisation will ruin it, but I’ve yet to see compelling evidence as to why that should be the case. Is it just an automatic assumption that Murdoch is going to buy it or something?!

I think it's more people against privatisation.

Yes Sky Studios (Love) own the show. The broadcast rights are of course let to whomever is currently broadcasting it CH4 in the UK

Yes, the international rights to broadcast the UK show are normally held by the production company. Channel 4 may have it written into the contract that they receive a percentage of the revenue for international broadcasts of the UK version but I am not sure if they do. A friend of mine has worked on Bake Off so I should ask him.

Buying up successful independent production companies I know is a nice little earner particularly for ITV.
 

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I think it's more people against privatisation.



Yes, the international rights to broadcast the UK show are normally held by the production company. Channel 4 may have it written into the contract that they receive a percentage of the revenue for international broadcasts of the UK version but I am not sure if they do. A friend of mine has worked on Bake Off so I should ask him.

Buying up successful independent production companies I know is a nice little earner particularly for ITV.
Why would CH4 get a percentage? Love came up with the format and produce the show it wasn't even broadcast on CH4 originally, it was BBC 2 then BBC 1.
 

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Why would CH4 get a percentage? Love came up with the format and produce the show it wasn't even broadcast on CH4 originally, it was BBC 2 then BBC 1.

Media contracts are often odd how they work and each one is very different from show to show. As Channel 4 have commissioned it they may have something written into the contract about if it's broadcast abroad. I think international distribution for the Great British Bake Off may be still handled by BBC Studios. Media contracts as I say are always complex and often don't make much sense.
 
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