Baroness Thatcher has died

[overthewater]

What she needed to do for the UK was good.

How she went about doing it was BAD very bad......and this is the major flash point.

Something had to give and it was a long time coming. Look at Germany state own companies but operated at arms length. Back in 1969 a report to clean up the unions was defeated. Labour were not happy nor Barbara castle?

 

[overthewater]

Look at the land of oz labour party did a lot of stuff which come from Mrs thatcher book but there took everyone with them, it could be done.

 

[Eagle]

It will be interesting to see what the bosses at radio 1 decide to do on Sunday evening.

BBC Radio 1 never have any say on the chart, they merely report it. It's the Official Charts Company who compiles it, and the BBC will be contractually obliged to report it accurately.

The OCC has a news article about the song in question (as does Radio 1 Newsbeat), so I think it's safe to assume that they're not going to tinker with it.

Of course the BBC could still decide not to actually play the song, just mention it and skip to the next one.

 

[overthewater]

BBC Radio 1 never have any say on the chart, they merely report it. It's the Official Charts Company who compiles it, and the BBC will be contractually obliged to report it accurately.

The OCC has a news article about the song in question (as does Radio 1 Newsbeat), so I think it's safe to assume that they're not going to tinker with it.

Of course the BBC could still decide not to actually play the song, just mention it and skip to the next one.

Unless it reaches no1....

 

[Geezertronic]

It's a song, it doesn't contain any language in it so I would see no reason to play it. Radio One shouldn't get involved in politics...

 

[jon0844]

Does anyone even care about the charts these days?

Sure, I'm older now, so I guess I'm not supposed to care - but I actually don't think many people really care. People get what they like on iTunes/Spotify etc and share what they like with friends on social networking sites.

 

[wintonian]

It's a song, it doesn't contain any language in it so I would see no reason to play it. Radio One shouldn't get involved in politics...

By breaking with the accepted norm they would be making a political statement.

However by doing the same as they do every week by factually reporting and playing the chart as it is would be to display neutrality, or rather not even displaying an awareness of the controversy.

If we were talking about 'Candle In The Wind' by the Cameronetts would they be complaining about it? Would those glad to see the back of her succeed in their campaign not to play it? Are those of use not partaking in this high pedestal glorification of almost Kim Il-Sung perportions all part of broken Britain?

The Torys seem to want to censor everything they disagree with ATM, but an out pouring of grief and sympathy would of course be freedom of speech.

 

[Johnuk123]

It's a song, it doesn't contain any language in it so I would see no reason to play it. Radio One shouldn't get involved in politics...

Of course they should play it, I imagine Thatcher is laughing her socks off at all the fuss.

 

[wintonian]

Oh another pointless internet poll.

I have eluded to my broad onion in the other thread in that although the post war economics started showing some cracks she decided to tear them down and throw them away with force and vigour rather than fix the issues. Of course the economic problems at the time were a good excuses to introduce a modern day Laissez-faire (lit. 'leave alone') where the states role would be little more than defence of the realm, the criminal justice system and the prevention of disease (or perhaps the prevention of the spread of disease to the middle classes)

Accordingly I have voted here down.

 

[wintonian]

Well here's your answer., and a poor compromise IMO.

R1 Chart show will not play full Margaret Thatcher song

The Wizard of Oz song at the centre of an anti-Margaret Thatcher campaign will not be played in full on the Official Chart Show.

Instead a clip of the 51-second song will be aired as part of a Newsbeat report, Radio 1 controller Ben Cooper has said.

Full story

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Has another version with words about Margaret Thatcher also been issued ?

 

[overthewater]

FOR Shame. Shame on you bbc .

 

[wintonian]

FOR Shame. Shame on you bbc .

Is the licence fee up discussion again?

 

[SS4]

You mean there wasn't a Wizard of Oz revival and I dug out my copy of Dark Side for nothing?

This just reaffirms my position about Radio 1 being terrible

 

[Oswyntail]

FOR Shame. Shame on you bbc .

Why? Are people buying it because of its music (I presume that is what gets songs in the charts)? Probably not. Is it in some way making a serious political statement? Probably not. Is it anything other than the equivalent of a group of fifth-formers farting in front of the Headmaster? Probably not. It merits a piece on Newsbeat, but not much more. If that's the best this generation can do by way of protesting through music, we're all doomed:roll:

 

[Eagle]

Why? Are people buying it because of its music (I presume that is what gets songs in the charts)? Probably not.

Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

 

[wintonian]

Why? Are people buying it because of its music (I presume that is what gets songs in the charts)? Probably not. Is it in some way making a serious political statement? Probably not. Is it anything other than the equivalent of a group of fifth-formers farting in front of the Headmaster? Probably not. It merits a piece on Newsbeat, but not much more. If that's the best this generation can do by way of protesting through music, we're all doomed:roll:

But none of that is relevant.

The official chart is not a list of peoples favourite music during the week, rather it is a list of the most purchased music during the week.

Yet again the BBC takes the Tory line - oh what was that I said in #530 again?

 

[ANorthernGuard]

So basically censorship is still alive and kicking in the 21st Century. It shouldn't matter why its bought, next time should Simon Cowell ask rage against the machine to be banned because it beat one of his songs as a protest a few years ago? different reasons but basic premise still the same!

 

[youngboy]

Who actually in the higher echelons of the Conservative Party were the main movers in orchestrating her removal as the leader of that party ?

I'm not 100% certain mate to be honest but I saw a programme the other night which intimated that Heseltine had been instrumental. Then again the other afternoon Tebbit announced to The Lord's that his biggest regret was retiring and leaving Thatcher at the mercy of her closest 'friends'.

 

[overthewater]

I bet more people will buy it now... just like relax, and sex pitsols.

 

[wintonian]

Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

Not forgetting that the BBC banned, Relax by Frankie goes to Hollywood, which ended up spending 5 weeks at no. 1 partly thanks to the BBC's stance.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I bet more people will buy it now... just like relax, and sex pitsols.

What are pitsols when they are at home.....hock:

 

[chris89]

Well here's your answer., and a poor compromise IMO.



Full story

No surprise the beeb are doing that.

Everyone's 'fav' newspaper will be celibrating at the hands of censorship though.

What 5 second bit will they play though :P

 

[overthewater]

What are pitsols when they are at home.....hock:

Good old auto spell on the phones.

 

[wintonian]

No surprise the beeb are doing that.

Everyone's 'fav' newspaper will be celibrating at the hands of censorship though.

What 5 second bit will they play though :P

Here you go.

BBC WILL play Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead in chart countdown but won't broadcast tasteless Thatcher protest single in full

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Just listened to the Radio 4 programme where listeners can ring in to complain about BBC over-emphasis on certain matters where everyone was complaining about how other matters than the Margaret Thatcher death such as the latest North Korean "ranting" were just made subserviant to the BBC's own view of "what WE decide was important to broadcast".

The top-level woman whom the BBC chose to answer these complaints gave the most paternalistic line to justify the BBC over-emphasis that I have ever had the unfortunate occasion to hear and I was seething when she had finished.

"Nanny knows best" seems alive and well in the BBC radio departments in 2013...

 

[SS4]

Why? Are people buying it because of its music (I presume that is what gets songs in the charts)? Probably not. Is it in some way making a serious political statement? Probably not. Is it anything other than the equivalent of a group of fifth-formers farting in front of the Headmaster? Probably not. It merits a piece on Newsbeat, but not much more. If that's the best this generation can do by way of protesting through music, we're all doomed:roll:

The reasons behind it doesn't matter. If it gets enough sales then it deserves playing. Arguably it's an improvement on the current chart

 

[wintonian]

I see the Radio 1 Controller has given his motives for the decision:

"To ban the record from our airwaves completely would risk giving the campaign the oxygen of further publicity and might inflame an already delicate situation."

"However, I do believe it would be wrong to ban the song outright as free speech is an important principle and a ban would only give it more publicity."

Updated article

So it's okey for people to exercise their right to free speech as along as you don't tell anyone about it. :roll:

This censorship has just made me buy it - until then I wasn't going to.

 

[SS4]

I see the Radio 1 Controller has given his motives for the decision:


Updated article

So it's okey for people to exercise their right to free speech as along as you don't tell anyone about it. :roll:

Sounds to me like he's saying it's OK to exercise your right to free speech so long as it agrees with prevailing view (which may or may not be censored)

 

[starrymarkb]

I think the BBC does try and strike a good balance - after all both Left and Right accuse it of being the mouthpiece of the other side. In this case they were stuck between a rock and a hard place, either playing it or banning it will upset a lot of people so I think this is the best compromise (which upsets both sides!)

I also find it ironic that the papers who hate being censored (see the Mail complaining about harassment in the Lucy Meadows case after calls for Littlejohn to be sacked over what he wrote about her) are now trying to censor the BBC and those that have bought this track...