Barking Riverside Extension (London Overground) Updates

[stuu]

How much air draft does the Thames actually require here? Couldn't you just bridge the Thames?

I bet it's enough to get a ship of the line underneath at spring tide, or something equally archaic. Big ships do go up river, as in proper cruise ships, I would imagine the chance of changing that would be practically zero

 

[swt_passenger]

I bet it's enough to get a ship of the line underneath at spring tide, or something equally archaic. Big ships do go up river, I would imagine the chance of changing that would be practically zero

Fairly large cruise ships can and do moor between buoys at Greenwich, so I suspect the air draft to at least Greenwich is defined by the Dartford Bridge. What’s the height of the cable car, about 80/90 metres I think? Presumably that was designed with expected shipping in mind.

 

[gg1]

Well they won't all fit on 5tph in rush hour

The won't all be commuting by rail, and of those that do, many won't be doing so every day due to the rise of home working and others won't be doing so in the peak of the rush hour.

 

[JaJaWa]

building viaducts is much cheaper than building tunnels.

China built basically their entire high speed rail network on viaducts / bridges so it potentially even has cost advantages against acquiring land at ground level.

 

[stuu]

Fairly large cruise ships can and do moor between buoys at Greenwich, so I suspect the air draft to at least Greenwich is defined by the Dartford Bridge. What’s the height of the cable car, about 80/90 metres I think? Presumably that was designed with expected shipping in mind.

The QE2 bridge is 61m (200ft) clear of high water (according to wikipedia). I would assume they didn't build that any higher than necessary. 200ft is a bit too neat for it not to be the actual navigation limit, I would have thought

 

[swt_passenger]

The QE2 bridge is 61m (200ft) clear of high water (according to wikipedia). I would assume they didn't build that any higher than necessary. 200ft is a bit too neat for it not to be the actual navigation limit, I would have thought

Makes sense, the cable car will be the tower heights I expect, so they’ll need to be significantly higher.

 

[ijmad]

The won't all be commuting by rail, and of those that do, many won't be doing so every day due to the rise of home working and others won't be doing so in the peak of the rush hour.

All of this was designed and agreed long before the pandemic though. I'd be curious to see the predictions.

 

[greatkingrat]

There is an STP 5L10 1944 Willesden TMD - Barking Riverside shown in RTT today. It then shuttles to Barking and back a few times before returning to Willesden. I think this might be the first Overground train to use the branch?

Realtime Trains | 5L10 1944 Willesden T.M.D to Barking Riverside | 05/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5L10 1944 departure from Willesden T.M.D to Barking Riverside on 05/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Mikey C]

The QE2 bridge is 61m (200ft) clear of high water (according to wikipedia). I would assume they didn't build that any higher than necessary. 200ft is a bit too neat for it not to be the actual navigation limit, I would have thought

The nearby cancelled Thames Gateway Bridge (linking to the A406 North Circular) would have been 50m (160ft) above the water, which I presume is the lowest allowed.

 

[geoffk]

Ahh thanks for that, I thought it did remind me of the angel of the north.

reminds me of the bridge on the Ordsall Chord.

 

[subk2010]

Any predictions on opening dates?

 

[HSTEd]

China built basically their entire high speed rail network on viaducts / bridges so it potentially even has cost advantages against acquiring land at ground level.

Primarily in land acquisition terms, since viaducts can often be narrower than surface alignments, and in reduced costs for moving utilities/roads out of the way.

You don't care too much what is on the alignment as long as you can get your pillars in to support the viaduct.

 

[Disco Bat]

There is an STP 5L10 1944 Willesden TMD - Barking Riverside shown in RTT today. It then shuttles to Barking and back a few times before returning to Willesden. I think this might be the first Overground train to use the branch?

Realtime Trains | 5L10 1944 Willesden T.M.D to Barking Riverside | 05/05/2022

Real-time train running information for 5L10 1944 departure from Willesden T.M.D to Barking Riverside on 05/05/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Saw that on my trust lineup today shame it didn’t run

 

[317 forever]

Any predictions on opening dates?

This will be the next soap opera once CrossRail opens.

 

[swt_passenger]

This will be the next soap opera once CrossRail opens.

Full timetable is shown in RTT from 11 Jul 22. Perhaps not so much of a soap opera?

 

[JaJaWa]

Shown as ‘opening soon’ on the new tube map

Fraser H
@FraserFHay

Full size map
4:56 AM · May 13, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/FraserFHay/status/1524856173714972672

 

[pdeaves]

Full timetable is shown in RTT from 11 Jul 22. Perhaps not so much of a soap opera?

9 July, even (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...22-07-09/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)!

Of course, that doesn't necessarily indicate public opening.

 

[317 forever]

Full timetable is shown in RTT from 11 Jul 22. Perhaps not so much of a soap opera?

Had the opening date been known to us all, there would have been no question arising about prediction of opening dates, hence no soap opera.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Randomly selected:

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• SO - 21/05/2022 to 10/12/2022
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RTT shows the trains as unadvertised, and operating throughout the timetable period, albeit the first dates which appear in an RTT search are Saturday 9 July.
Reading Green Park has had similar 'unadvertised call' for a good while. It's still not open!

If anyone can point to any kind of official announcement it would be rather useful to see.

 

[subk2010]

Full timetable is shown in RTT from 11 Jul 22. Perhaps not so much of a soap opera?

They said "Open in Autumn 2022". 11 July is definitely too early. And I don't think it can be postponed to Nov or Dec.

Geoff Marshall said in his new video that the station will open in December 2022. Where did this source come from?
I mean most news still said it will open at autumn 2022.

 

[87015]

Infrastructure now available and first train in there, no YouTuber fanfare and made up dates available though

 

[Class 170101]

Infrastructure now available and first train in there, no YouTuber fanfare and made up dates available though

https://twitter.com/ChrisCockram/status/1529217957506830337/photo/4

and a video

https://twitter.com/cmpd_date/status/1529197632547168258

 

[Basil Jet]

https://twitter.com/ChrisCockram/status/1529217957506830337/photo/4

and a video

https://twitter.com/cmpd_date/status/1529197632547168258

Did the first train really run that fast? Did some sort of wheeled cart run over it first or did they just measure it to be about right?

 

[subk2010]

Everything's ready at BGV? Seems exciting.

 

[Snow1964]

https://twitter.com/no07neil/status/1529478539594145795

Back cab video of train leaving new Barking Riverside

 

[cle]

What are the modelled main flows (once the area is more populated) ?

Is it a hop to Barking, and then c2c into the City? Or via West Ham for Jubilee/CW?
Do people anticipate more use of Wanstead Park/Forest Gate for Crossrail? Or a lot weaving through NE London?

 

[NLC1072]

I have also done a video about the new extension, with bonus areal footage of the new trains going up and down.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I have also done a video about the new extension, with bonus areal footage of the new trains going up and down.

Some lovely aerial footage there

 

[NLC1072]

Some lovely aerial footage there

Thanks!

 

[Basil Jet]

I have also done a video about the new extension, with bonus areal footage of the new trains going up and down.

Thanks for sharing that, everything about it is great apart from the jerky frame rate which is a minor distraction.