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BALLYMOSS nameplate sales record

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I couldn’t help noticing that Talisman Railwayana Auction sold a BALLYMOSS nameplate for £32,400 on Saturday and that was just the hammer price never mind the commission.
Apparently it’s set a new sales record and I can’t help wondering what the entire locomotive cost to build all those years ago?!
Here’s one of the nameplates I photographed at Kings Cross in June 1981
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Apparently it’s set a new sales record and I can’t help wondering what the entire locomotive cost to build all those years ago?!
Around £200,000 in 1961 (The Deltics, A symposium, CJ Allen & others, Ian Allan 1972). Say £3.5m today.
 

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Unless some were replaced during their time in service, there should only be 44 Deltic nameplates in existence and a fair number of those will be in museums (particularly the regimental ones, I would have thought).

Similarly, if you look at the prices that totems fetch, major stations and those on famous scenic lines have a cachet that others don’t. Somewhere on the West Highland is much more attractive than a suburb of Glasgow, or indeed a Southern Region suburban station with four 12-carriage platforms.
 

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Diesel plates of the more famous classes like Deltics,Peaks and Westerns are now attracting the premium prices that the Battle of Britain,Kings and Britannia’s used to. Even 47 plates are about equal to a random Hall plate.
 

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I follow the railwayana auction market quite closely. I wasn't surprised by the BALLYMOSS hammer price.

I am an economist and railwayana is a great example of supply and demand in action.

Unless some were replaced during their time in service, there should only be 44 Deltic nameplates in existence and a fair number of those will be in museums (particularly the regimental ones, I would have thought).
Supply is fixed. The railwayana people want to buy isn't being made any more.

Demand is very variable. But a high price comes when more than one person wants the same thing. In an auction, the hammer price is set by the last person to drop out, not the winner.

Diesel plates of the more famous classes like Deltics,Peaks and Westerns are now attracting the premium prices that the Battle of Britain,Kings and Britannia’s used to. Even 47 plates are about equal to a random Hall plate.
This is a reflection of demographic changes in the demand side of the market. Demand for steam era railwayana is declining. Sadly steam enthusiasts are getting old, and some are heading for the great scrapyard in the sky. When that happens, executors of their estates dispose of their collections, and there are fewer investors to buy. In due course there will be more sellers than buyers and prices can be expected to start to fall.

Demand for diesel railwayana has been rising for a while, and prices with it. During covid there was a substitution effect with enthusiasts buying railwayana with what they were unable to spend on travel. But, more importantly, a lot of relatively rich diesel era railway enthusiasts are now reaching retirement age, with ample funds from pension lump sums (especially if they worked for the railway) and ISA investments. There is a wall of money entering the market: with supply fixed, and more buyers than sellers, prices are going up.

And general inflation at around 10% is contributing to rising prices too.
 

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Very well observed posts above. Nostalgia is a powerful emotion and having the ability to purchase and own something of the past, especially from one’s youth is what generates the antiques market or railwayana in our case.
I still get a kick out of having a station totem on my wall which I first stood under when in shorts over half a century ago.
 

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I used to have a huge railwayana collection but I'm glad I disposed of it now. When I look at the prices people are paying for stuff now its like a window into another reality. Granted things like Deltic nameplates are probably still a good investment but eventually those people who can remember them will be gone and I'm not sure how much they will be worth then.
 

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I haven’t bought anything in an auction for years. The prices have gone way past anything I could reasonably justify. The two items i need to complete a collection are both rare and one has never been seen in auction but I’m not prepared to skint myself by paying ridiculous prices for them.
 

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I haven’t bought anything in an auction for years. The prices have gone way past anything I could reasonably justify. The two items i need to complete a collection are both rare and one has never been seen in auction but I’m not prepared to skint myself by paying ridiculous prices for them.
That begs the question of what is it you’re collecting?!
 

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Luckily most of mine were purchased in the early to mid 90s when prices were realistic. However a green St James Park Halt has never materialised. Having spoken to other collectors one is rumoured to exist in a collection in Scotland but where the other five are is anyone’s guess.
 
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