ryan125hst
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As an Engineer, I was wondering about how the traction and auxiliary equipment is arranged throughout an Azuma (and other Class 80x) trains. I asked a question about the transformers on the Class 810 thread but I thought it deserves a thread of its own.
My understanding of the Class 80x trains (with the exception of the Class 810 which is different) is as follows:
DPTS – Driving Cab, Air Compressor, 25kV Transformer
MS - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
TS - No traction equipment, engine or auxiliary converter, so just air brake equipment, air conditioning equipment etc that the other coaches will also contain?
MC - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
MF - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
DPTF – Driving Cab, Air Compressor, 25kV Transformer
*Bi-Mode units only.
Electric trains contain one generator unit for the generation of hotel power (lights, toilets, heating, air conditioning, catering) in the event they are hauled by a locomotive or if the overhead wires are switched off. This engine can also move the train at low speed to clear the line.
My questions:
I saw a post while searching the forum for details about this the other day about how 9-coach Pendolinos are effectively 4-coach units with one pantograph feeding two transformers, with the transformer in the vehicle with the pantograph lowered fed by a 25kV bus on the top of the train. 11-coach Pendolinos have a third transformer to feed the two additional coaches.
Do Azumas use a similar method? Another poster suggested they don’t and only the transformer in the vehicle with the pantograph raised is in use. This would make sense on a 5-coach unit, however a lot of power would need to be delivered by a transformer small enough to fit under a passenger carriage for this to work on a 9-coach unit. Looking at photographs, it does appear as though a 25kV bus line exists, even on 5-coach units. Can anyone shed any light into how this works?
I presume both driving vehicles have a compressor as I listed above? If so, do they both run at the same time to speed up the time taken to raise air pressure?
400VAC – Am I correct that there is an Auxiliary Converter on each Motor vehicle? Do they all operate at the same time? Presumably there is a 400VAC cable running the length of the train that each converter feeds so if a Generator Unit is switched off, the power can still be provided to the other carriages.
110VDC – There is a PDF about the Super Express trains (as they were known as at the time) that said the Auxiliary Converters also provide 110DC, which will be for the batteries. Is there a battery per coach as with locomotive hauled carriages, or a distributed battery system as with London Underground trains?
I also wonder how similar the key points of the technical design is to other trains. For example, I presume the likes of Voyagers and Class 185’s have a 400VAC system that allows coaches to be powered when its engine is off, unlike a Class 158 that would have no power or air conditioning if its engine is off. Are the EMU's from other manufacturers such as Alstom and Stadler similar or very different? Do the new CAF DMU's have a facility to power adjacent coaches if an engine is off, or are they within coach only like their predecessors?
DPTS = Driving Pantograph Trailer Standard
MS = Motor Standard
TS = Trailer Standard
MC = Motor Composite (First and Standard Accommodation)
MF = Motor First
DPTF = Driving Pantograph Trailer First
Where 5 coach trains are formed DPTS-MS-MS-MC-DPTF and 9 coach trains are formed DPTS-MS-MS-TS-MS-TS-MC-MF-DPTF.
My understanding of the Class 80x trains (with the exception of the Class 810 which is different) is as follows:
DPTS – Driving Cab, Air Compressor, 25kV Transformer
MS - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
TS - No traction equipment, engine or auxiliary converter, so just air brake equipment, air conditioning equipment etc that the other coaches will also contain?
MC - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
MF - Traction Inverter, Auxiliary Converter, Generator Unit*
DPTF – Driving Cab, Air Compressor, 25kV Transformer
*Bi-Mode units only.
Electric trains contain one generator unit for the generation of hotel power (lights, toilets, heating, air conditioning, catering) in the event they are hauled by a locomotive or if the overhead wires are switched off. This engine can also move the train at low speed to clear the line.
My questions:
I saw a post while searching the forum for details about this the other day about how 9-coach Pendolinos are effectively 4-coach units with one pantograph feeding two transformers, with the transformer in the vehicle with the pantograph lowered fed by a 25kV bus on the top of the train. 11-coach Pendolinos have a third transformer to feed the two additional coaches.
Do Azumas use a similar method? Another poster suggested they don’t and only the transformer in the vehicle with the pantograph raised is in use. This would make sense on a 5-coach unit, however a lot of power would need to be delivered by a transformer small enough to fit under a passenger carriage for this to work on a 9-coach unit. Looking at photographs, it does appear as though a 25kV bus line exists, even on 5-coach units. Can anyone shed any light into how this works?
I presume both driving vehicles have a compressor as I listed above? If so, do they both run at the same time to speed up the time taken to raise air pressure?
400VAC – Am I correct that there is an Auxiliary Converter on each Motor vehicle? Do they all operate at the same time? Presumably there is a 400VAC cable running the length of the train that each converter feeds so if a Generator Unit is switched off, the power can still be provided to the other carriages.
110VDC – There is a PDF about the Super Express trains (as they were known as at the time) that said the Auxiliary Converters also provide 110DC, which will be for the batteries. Is there a battery per coach as with locomotive hauled carriages, or a distributed battery system as with London Underground trains?
I also wonder how similar the key points of the technical design is to other trains. For example, I presume the likes of Voyagers and Class 185’s have a 400VAC system that allows coaches to be powered when its engine is off, unlike a Class 158 that would have no power or air conditioning if its engine is off. Are the EMU's from other manufacturers such as Alstom and Stadler similar or very different? Do the new CAF DMU's have a facility to power adjacent coaches if an engine is off, or are they within coach only like their predecessors?
DPTS = Driving Pantograph Trailer Standard
MS = Motor Standard
TS = Trailer Standard
MC = Motor Composite (First and Standard Accommodation)
MF = Motor First
DPTF = Driving Pantograph Trailer First
Where 5 coach trains are formed DPTS-MS-MS-MC-DPTF and 9 coach trains are formed DPTS-MS-MS-TS-MS-TS-MC-MF-DPTF.

