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fowler9

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Its on the list. Ha ha. Not sure where my next trip is to. As an aside Eazyjet flights from Liverpool and Manchester both returned home today after not being in the air long after a smell of burning in the cockpit was noticed. Now I am led to believe that this is because of the hurricane carrying smoke particles up from wild fires in Spain and Portugal and some of the particles eventually getting in to the air conditioning. I know a full emergency was called at JLA as they fire engines etc. all went screaming by my office which is near the air port this morning. (Bad wording, my office is near the airport every morning, ha ha).
 

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Airbus has just bought a 50.01% stake in the C Series programme from Bombardier!

Couple of more details, Airbus is paying ZERO for its stake its essentially bailing out Bombardier and yet another bail out of the C series programme, the deal also comes with share options for Airbus of 100m Bombardier shares or about 10% of the company should it so choose.
 
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Another clause appears to allow Airbus to independently take over the C Series fully in 2023 - if they want to.
 

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Its on the list. Ha ha. Not sure where my next trip is to. As an aside Eazyjet flights from Liverpool and Manchester both returned home today after not being in the air long after a smell of burning in the cockpit was noticed. Now I am led to believe that this is because of the hurricane carrying smoke particles up from wild fires in Spain and Portugal and some of the particles eventually getting in to the air conditioning. I know a full emergency was called at JLA as they fire engines etc. all went screaming by my office which is near the air port this morning. (Bad wording, my office is near the airport every morning, ha ha).

I saw that. Has this particular chain of events happened before or in other regions prone to forest fires?

I saw that emergency crews had to meet an aircraft at either Manchester or Liverpool - didn't realize it was such a commotion! At least the view from the office helps you pass the time on a slow day, Fowler.

Airbus has just bought a 50.01% stake in the C Series programme from Bombardier!

Couple of more details, Airbus is paying ZERO for its stake its essentially bailing out Bombardier and yet another bail out of the C series programme, the deal also comes with share options for Airbus of 100m Bombardier shares or about 10% of the company should it so choose.

This is to allow them to circumvent the American trade tariff on the Bombardier product? Sensible way round the problem if so
 

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Airbus has just bought a 50.01% stake in the C Series programme from Bombardier!

Couple of more details, Airbus is paying ZERO for its stake its essentially bailing out Bombardier and yet another bail out of the C series programme, the deal also comes with share options for Airbus of 100m Bombardier shares or about 10% of the company should it so choose.

It sounds like Bombardier gets the security of being able to sell into the US market (given the import duty won't apply to the Airbus-built-in-Alamaba aircraft), Airbus extends its influence into smaller aircraft than they previous have been in (note the A319neo has sold 51 aircraft; both the A320neo and A321neo have sold thousands, and the A318 died years ago), Bombardier likely gets to sell the aircraft for less while making more profit (and if the profit goes up sufficiently, the fact Airbus get 50.01% of it doesn't matter) given if Airbus do one thing great it's the supply chain management.
 

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Yeah its amazing that the C Series, Bombardiers attempt to break in to the big leagues with billions of Bombardier funds invested which has brought the company to its knees and Bombardier now has just a 19% equity stake in the project, the 3rd largest shareholder.

Another milestone this week, there are now more A380 in passenger service than 747's.
 

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I saw that. Has this particular chain of events happened before or in other regions prone to forest fires?

I saw that emergency crews had to meet an aircraft at either Manchester or Liverpool - didn't realize it was such a commotion! At least the view from the office helps you pass the time on a slow day, Fowler.

I'm sure I have read about it happening before. The emergency services were out in full force at Liverpool. They also close off roads leading to the airport which where JLA is by a major route in to the city certainly caused a commotion.

I've seen all kinds of lovely stuff from my desk over the last few years. Virgins first 789, Belugas, XH558 flying down the river during its last season, Typhoons doing performance take offs from JLA and then a fly by, multiple Hawks and Tornados, A Virgin A346 flying past quite low, A400's, Globemasters, Hercs. It is funny sometimes talking to people at the various RAF bases and saying you saw one of their lot flying past, spoken to a few pilots who have done it. I used to sit next to a chap who knew a few people on the inside and we would both be ready when we knew a Tornado was on its way. I was meant to have a work related site visit to RAF Marham when I managed complaints for that area but it sadly never happened.
 

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It sounds like Bombardier gets the security of being able to sell into the US market (given the import duty won't apply to the Airbus-built-in-Alamaba aircraft), Airbus extends its influence into smaller aircraft than they previous have been in (note the A319neo has sold 51 aircraft; both the A320neo and A321neo have sold thousands, and the A318 died years ago), Bombardier likely gets to sell the aircraft for less while making more profit (and if the profit goes up sufficiently, the fact Airbus get 50.01% of it doesn't matter) given if Airbus do one thing great it's the supply chain management.


And Boeing watch their grand plan re the tariffs backfire spectacularly...I bet there will be some red faces in the boardroom at the moment.
 

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Sounds like a cracking spot. From my office I can see one of the approaches to Maastricht airport. While it's normally completely dead apart from 2 Ryanair's a day and Wizzair a few times a week and ad hoc freight, when we do get flights they are usually quite unusual. The airport is only just outside the city, so when the big 747s come in they are scraping the rooftops here. There's also the NATO base at Brunssum not far away, and so we get some military planes beginning their approach. Only the big ones are low this far out, the fighter jets seem to take more of a racing line. They don't usually use the over city approach for noise reasons, where wind permits.

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I'm sure Boeing are working on something, though their approach to the entire affair has been quite childish. Astonishing how much power the company appears to be able to wield in Washington.

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Apparently the move was sanctioned - I think it's fairly normal to do a final wave from an airport on a final flight.

When I saw a poor quality video yesterday I thought it was a 737. If it was indeed an A330, that's an impressive stunt. What are they going to do, fire the pilot?
 

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Apparently the move was sanctioned - I think it's fairly normal to do a final wave from an airport on a final flight.

When I saw a poor quality video yesterday I thought it was a 737. If it was indeed an A330, that's an impressive stunt. What are they going to do, fire the pilot?

Definitely an A330 (size, winglet shape, four wheels on each oleo on main gear) and BBC reports the pilots have been suspended.

Rightly so. To do this with passengers on board isn't right. I've never seen an airliner do anything like that with passengers on board, only at air shows (and even then it would probably be off limits due to crowd restrictions).

Even as an experienced flier I would have been concerned if I was aboard that flight. You're prepared for spooling up and climbing, but not for banking over the terminal at 100-200 feet. Perhaps he announced his intentions to the cabin, but still.
 

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Probably not to the same extent of the Air Berlin but wing waggles on a final service are far from unheard of. The last United departure from BHX to EWR did one recently
 

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Some sources say the manoeuvre was "Approved" in as much as the tower gave permission for a "right turn"..."in the event of a go around".
 

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Some sources say the manoeuvre was "Approved" in as much as the tower gave permission for a "right turn"..."in the event of a go around".

So he did a left turn (over the apron)! He also appeared to maintain altitude through the turn and only afterwards started the climb, that is not a classic go-around procedure.
 

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So he did a left turn (over the apron)! He also appeared to maintain altitude through the turn and only afterwards started the climb, that is not a classic go-around procedure.

Apologies, I did mean a left turn.

Though I agree his manoeuvre was not a go-around as we know it. He maintained low altitude purposely over the terminal building, rather than immediately climbing.

PPRuNE is split on whether this is okay or not.
 

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Look up 747 fly by Santa Cruz Bolivia on YouTube. After visiting Bolivia I didn't find it that shocking, amazing but mad place.
 

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Had a trip from Birmingham to Aberdeen at the weekend up on Friday back on Sunday.

Q400 both ways much to my chargin. Two six footers sitting next to each other is not a pleasant experience on one of these heaps.

Please use a 550mph Embraer rather than these elastic band 400mph if you are lucky jalopys !!

Noticed Flybe have jacked up the "Kit Kat" from £1 to £1.50 . Luckily had supplies purloined from the VTWC Lounge at BHI to add to the Coffee at an unchanged £2.50.
 

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Q400's should be abolished as a mode of transport apart from "midget conventions"....and it should be Embraer 190's not it's smaller brother.
 

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...and will last about 5 minutes.

I have to say I agree. Not sure the demand is there to make the route sustainable. The quoted price for the flight will increase a fair whack one would imagine, once you add in a bag, food etc etc. I can't see any other carriers such as BA, Air Canada, WestJet or Air Transat being in the least bit concerned.

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I have to say I agree. Not sure the demand is there to make the route sustainable. The quoted price for the flight will increase a fair whack one would imagine, once you add in a bag, food etc etc. I can't see any other carriers such as BA, Air Canada, WestJet or Air Transat being in the least bit concerned.

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Like others, I remain sceptical that this lasts beyond a season.

Even though the economics of the 321neo does change things a little, probably not quite enough.
 

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Like others, I remain sceptical that this lasts beyond a season.

Even though the economics of the 321neo does change things a little, probably not quite enough.

I am likewise sceptical. Their fares aren't that competitive, with extortionate addons for bags, meals, seats etc (40 dollars for a meal in Economy??).

I am looking at trying them one-way, Newark to Birmingham/Stansted, next summer, but I would not consider booking beyond that season.
 

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I saw the ad for that new route at Stansted the other day, it sounds interesting but I've yet to research it fully. All that way on an A321 sounds a bit too much.

Butts, I thought of you yesterday when at Milan Bergamo, as it has a smoking area near the eateries in the non-Schengen area (A gates). Not after passport control to the B gates mind, be warned.

My week has been busy, with EDI-STN, STN-BSL and BGY-STN all on Ryanair. Minor bit of turbulence halfway from EDI, but aside from that no complaints whatsoever. 3 more B738s in the book too, although for anyone reading this be warned on the new seating layout 11A is no longer a window seat, as it has no window next to it!

For the record, I've added EI-FOK, EI-FOR and EI-FOS to my book. My Flightdiary profile is also updated, I've now travelled well over 7,000 miles with Ryanair!
 

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I saw the ad for that new route at Stansted the other day, it sounds interesting but I've yet to research it fully. All that way on an A321 sounds a bit too much.

Butts, I thought of you yesterday when at Milan Bergamo, as it has a smoking area near the eateries in the non-Schengen area (A gates). Not after passport control to the B gates mind, be warned.

My week has been busy, with EDI-STN, STN-BSL and BGY-STN all on Ryanair. Minor bit of turbulence halfway from EDI, but aside from that no complaints whatsoever. 3 more B738s in the book too, although for anyone reading this be warned on the new seating layout 11A is no longer a window seat, as it has no window next to it!

For the record, I've added EI-FOK, EI-FOR and EI-FOS to my book. My Flightdiary profile is also updated, I've now travelled well over 7,000 miles with Ryanair!
How is Bergamo airport these days? It was a bit of a dump eight years ago when I was last there but I believe it has improved.
 

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I saw the ad for that new route at Stansted the other day, it sounds interesting but I've yet to research it fully. All that way on an A321 sounds a bit too much.

Butts, I thought of you yesterday when at Milan Bergamo, as it has a smoking area near the eateries in the non-Schengen area (A gates). Not after passport control to the B gates mind, be warned.

My week has been busy, with EDI-STN, STN-BSL and BGY-STN all on Ryanair. Minor bit of turbulence halfway from EDI, but aside from that no complaints whatsoever. 3 more B738s in the book too, although for anyone reading this be warned on the new seating layout 11A is no longer a window seat, as it has no window next to it!

For the record, I've added EI-FOK, EI-FOR and EI-FOS to my book. My Flightdiary profile is also updated, I've now travelled well over 7,000 miles with Ryanair!

Good news for those who like a puff but post "B Gates" would be a welcome addition !! - are the A gates after security ?
 

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fowler9: It seemed OK at Bergamo, more up to date than Waterford was when I went there that's for sure. My illy Americano came with a 10% discount which helped a fair bit mind lol.

Butts, the B gates are right by the apron on the ground level, beyond passport control, so it probably can't be done. It's not signposted either, so you have to have your eyes peeled for the area in question. Nearish McDonalds is the easiest way to describe it, which I think was near gate A16.

Basically, you go through security and enter the shopping/eatery area, and around there you get the A gates. It's a long walk round all that lot to get to the B gates, when you go downstairs that's where passport control is. Once there, there really isn't much there. I didn't see beyond B22 though, as gates B23-B26 were up another corridor and I wasn't going up there to investigate, as I had a book in dire need of finishing.

2 months and 10 days until I fly again, this time with Jet2, to Alicante. I'm already getting ideas about where to go after that!

Big news today, though, is that before I went on holiday I got in touch with BA themselves, as the MSE Resolver thing was getting nowhere. They replied yesterday, they're going to send me my €250 by bank transfer, so hopefully that will arrive soon. I'm in two minds as to whether to rebuild my holiday fund for a long distance (ie, non-Europe) holiday next year or to halve my credit card debt. Very tough decision...
 
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