I doubt it. The 800’s are nowhere near completed and they’re needed for when it’s a full timetable in December
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dereksingh291
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Where will the Avanti 221s go once they've been replaced?
Not yet confirmed. Most likely contender is thought to be XC, but this is far from definite.
Any discussion of this, however, belongs in speculative ideas and not in this thread.
FrodshamJnct
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805s, not 800s.
SansHache
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Still on schedule so expect to see it out in service next week.
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Looks like another 390 has been released from refurbishment. Can anyone confirm please?
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Realtime Trains | 5T25 1530 Widnes Transport Tech to Longsight Car. M.D. | 22/04/2022
Real-time train running information for 5T25 1530 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Longsight Car. M.D. on 22/04/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
390148 was sat alongside the shed earlier this afternoon, possibly that?Looks like another 390 has been released from refurbishment. Can anyone confirm please?
Realtime Trains | 5T25 1530 Widnes Transport Tech to Longsight Car. M.D. | 22/04/2022
Real-time train running information for 5T25 1530 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Longsight Car. M.D. on 22/04/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
What is going happen with the 220/221s
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Phillipimo
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What a stroke of luck! I'm booked on the 10:47 from Liverpool. Thanks for the information, let's hope it's true!
Should be yeah cause it's going empty to Wembley when it gets to Euston rather than forming the 14.30 to Glasgow like it normally did.
SansHache
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The third refurbished set, 390148, has now joined 390125 and 390123 at Longsight.
I thought they would be a press launch service beforehand and some sort of ad campaign saying that some new refurbed Pendo's are entering service.
I'd shout about it if I was a TOC on the WCML.
They might wait for more to be done to increase peoples chances of actually being able to use it. Suspect they’ll do a press release as a bare minimum next week though.
Though not sure it’s good enough to shout about. The colour scheme alone is so bland I’m half expecting to have HMRC audit me each journey.
Bletchleyite
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I am surprised they went for that scheme when the Voyager scheme is so pleasant and seems to be getting good comments all round.
Might be a long shot, but do you know if/when 390125 is planned to head to Glasgow next week?
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Hopefully a significant upgrade on the wifi will finally happen. I've even found a northern 156 has better wifi than Avanti which for an intercity operator is plain embarrassing.
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no clue you’d have to check on the day
LNW-GW Joint
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They (Avanti's 5-car 221s) will be up for grabs with the leasing company.
Any new TOC will have to have DfT approval for the spend.
The trains (along with XC's Voyagers) are maintained at Central Rivers, Burton on Trent, which limits the options somewhat.
The most obvious first use is to replace the HSTs at XC.
EMR's class 222s will probably be coming off-lease at about the same time, which complicates things.
Grand central should snap them up and bring back the Euston-Blackpool services
TT-ONR-NRN
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It seems a shame to run diesel trains on a fully electrified route
There’s all ready Euston -Blackpool
Services on weekdays anyway.
Only temporary it’s only used to keep the train from blocking the platform at Preston. Pre Covid it was just the 4 a day but the last service was at 3pm to Euston. Grand central was going to serve kirkham and poulton and they was going to do a service Saturdays and Sundays something Avanti don’t do
Diesel electric trains which can run at 125 meaning the pathing can be easy to put in and will speed journeys up. Even better it was going to give Nuneaton, Kirkham and poulton a direct service and all stations can fit a 5 car voyager
Bletchleyite
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No more diesel under the wires, please. If an OAO wants to do this, order 80x.
Nuneaton has an hourly direct service to London at excellent prices with LNR, plus the odd Avanti and I think more from December. Kirkham and Poulton no more need direct services to London than any other smallish commuter station, e.g. those on Merseyrail or the Manchester suburbans. Blackpool does not justify direct London services; it's an easy change twice an hour at Preston plus three times an hour at Manchester if you prefer, all on modern electric rolling stock (i.e. 331s) with plenty of capacity.
Nuneaton has an hourly direct service to London at excellent prices with LNR, plus the odd Avanti and I think more from December. Kirkham and Poulton no more need direct services to London than any other smallish commuter station, e.g. those on Merseyrail or the Manchester suburbans. Blackpool does not justify direct London services; it's an easy change twice an hour at Preston plus three times an hour at Manchester if you prefer, all on modern electric rolling stock (i.e. 331s) with plenty of capacity.
I believe Blackpool is an anomaly in that it actually benefitted from the covid timetable in a certain aspect (eg more services to London though slower via Birmingham, at the expense of Glasgow.) I really hope they return to normal and originate from Glasgow again.
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Bletchleyite
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As do I. Blackpool in this case is just a convenient reversal point to avoid the trains needing to block platforms at Preston for long periods, a bit like Manchester Airport but less useful. There is no real justification for the through service. It needs a decent service to the places which provide it with most visitors - the likes of Liverpool and Manchester, primarily, though I believe it's bizarrely also popular with Scots!
That is true haha! Good frequency from Blackpool to Preston (and extended on to Liverpool/Manchester etc) for interchanging is ideal.
Bletchleyite
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Back to the refurbished Pendolino, are the above diagrams every day (M-F only?) or is it moving round a bit?
Would be particularly interested in where it might be this coming Bank Holiday Monday, if it'll be out, as I might be able to work a ride into my existing plans.
Would be particularly interested in where it might be this coming Bank Holiday Monday, if it'll be out, as I might be able to work a ride into my existing plans.
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