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Avanti Standard Premium: is it worth it?

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Travelling from Glasgow Central to London Euston for work next week on rail sale tickets expensed. It's one of the first services early in the morning, i'm just wondering if it's worth paying the £30 standard premium upgrade, seems to be a bigger table and a slighly comfier chair. The new refurbished penolinos look like they have comfier headrests in standard premium.
 
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Travelling from Glasgow Central to London Euston for work next week on rail sale tickets expensed. It's one of the first services early in the morning, i'm just wondering if it's worth paying the £30 standard premium upgrade, seems to be a bigger table and a slighly comfier chair. The new refurbished penolinos look like they have comfier headrests in standard premium.
Its just the first class seating but you don't get the complimentary food/drinks. That's all it is.
 

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I would upgrade without hesitation. Standard Premium is an excellent environment for long distance travel. There is no complimentary catering and the At Seat service from the Shop is flaky, so best bring some of your own provisions.
 

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I would upgrade without hesitation. Standard Premium is an excellent environment for long distance travel. There is no complimentary catering and the At Seat service from the Shop is flaky, so best bring some of your own provisions.
Would a Seatfrog upgrade be better value if it was, say, £40 or under?
 

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Travelling from Glasgow Central to London Euston for work next week on rail sale tickets expensed. It's one of the first services early in the morning, i'm just wondering if it's worth paying the £30 standard premium upgrade, seems to be a bigger table and a slighly comfier chair. The new refurbished penolinos look like they have comfier headrests in standard premium.

You won't get a refurbished set. But yes, I would. No freebies but a very high quality environment. Not offered on Voyagers though.
 

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Would a Seatfrog upgrade be better value if it was, say, £40 or under?
On my recent trip from Manchester to London Avanti's app just wouldn't let me make the payment to upgrade to Standard Premium, so I used Seatfrog instead and had the entire first class carriage to myself.

I would say Standard Premium is worth the cost for the better seat, but then I have long legs to fit in!!

However, not knowing the outcome of the Seatfrog auction until shortly before departure is a bit irritating, particularly as it impacted my refreshment requirements. Ironically, the Seatfrog option probably cost less than SP plus food/drink.
 

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For SP on a standard ticket you just take a seat and the guard collects it. Or not, but if not that is their loss. No point buying on the app. It is in essence a direct copy of BR's Weekend First (with a dedicated coach, as BR did) but available all week.
 

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For SP on a standard ticket you just take a seat and the guard collects it. Or not, but if not that is their loss. No point buying on the app. It is in essence a direct copy of BR's Weekend First (with a dedicated coach, as BR did) but available all week.
Good to know, thanks.
 

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Good to know, thanks.

It doesn't overly help that Avanti appear to be doing absolutely no promotion of it whatsoever. It's almost like it's a franchise commitment they regret agreeing and want it to fail.

I think it's great - it's proper European style 1st - adds roughly 50% to an Off Peak Return over long distances for roughly 50% extra space and no gimmickry. I'd love it if they replaced "proper" 1st with it and at-seat service was paid-for rather than including stuff I don't want in my fare. Even better if there was a SP Off Peak fare at 1.5 x the Standard one but otherwise the same, I'd just buy that by default.
 

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It's a bit awkward that the Avanti advert starts with "Let's visit Standard First"!
 

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For SP on a standard ticket you just take a seat and the guard collects it. Or not, but if not that is their loss. No point buying on the app. It is in essence a direct copy of BR's Weekend First (with a dedicated coach, as BR did) but available all week.
I’d guess that on a 4.5 hour journey the chances of it being checked either before or after the staff change at Preston is high, although I might have some leftover Avanti credit I could use to upgrade to SP before I travel.

I would have said so if it was 1st class and includes the complementarity stuff.

When do Seatfrog auctions usually end?
 

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It doesn't overly help that Avanti appear to be doing absolutely no promotion of it whatsoever. It's almost like it's a franchise commitment they regret agreeing and want it to fail.
Absolutely.

I've only recently started travelling again and the first time I caught a down train from Milton Keynes it was an 11 car Pendo.. The station announcement said something on the lines of 'Unreserved seats are in --- ---- and Coach G in First Class'; this puzzled me, because that was, I thought, a Premium Standard coach. I wrongly jumped to the conclusion that either S.P.. didn't apply to that train (it was an early Manchester) or it had been abandoned, so I got in. Almost straight away, I was asked by a steward whether I had a ticket that included 'the food and drink offer' or travel only. Realising that it was Standard Premium I just moved forward to J but it does seem muddled thinking. It did seem that, if I had stayed, I would have had coffee, though.

The station announcements always seem to make that odd announcement about 'delicious hot and cold snacks' in Coach C (never heard on any other T.O.C. - maybe their snacks aren't delicious...) but remain silent about S.P.. There's no announcements about it in First, either - obviously it's of no relevance but usually all the announcements seem to be broadcast throughout the train - including, for instance, the Shop ones which similarly aren't relevant in first when there's the 'food offer'.
 
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